Audya / T3 / PA2xpro playing a midi file

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TGUGb8piYs

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[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 05-27-2009).]

I had no problem...works fine.

My Vote goes to...

1- TYROS 3

2- Audya

3- Pa2xpro

I found the overall volome of the Tyros3 a bit lower than the other two...was the song volume at default?

Why not compared with the Roland e 80 or g70 then definitely Roland will win.

I had all 3 playing through a mixer, and I did my best to have them all peak about the same on the recorder. I would have loved to use a Roland but they do not feel I'm a worthy store.

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1-Tyros
2-Pa2Xpro
3-Audya

Impuls

1. Audya

2. PA2x

3. Tyros 3

I found the bass in the Audya rather overpowering.

The other two sounded as expected, but the Audya clearly sounds different...piano was very phasey, booming bass, righteous drums, vocal sounds were good.

All three certainly could be tweaked to sound much better, but it is enlightening to hear how each handles a raw SMF.

Thanks Frank.

Oh yeah...how would I rate them as heard?

1.Korg PA2XPro

2.Yamaha Tyros3

3.Ketron Audya

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 05-27-2009).]

Audya 1st

PA 2XPro

Tyros 3

Intersting to hear but I'm not sure what it means. Presumably if I want the best sounding 3rd Party midis (as opposed to those recorded directly using the best of the on-board voices in each case) - then I should pick the Audya???

John - Ty3 owner

Ohh ok. My choice is

1.PA2XPro

2.Tyros3

3.Audya

Not counting the harmonica (is horrible in all three):

1) Pa2x
2) T3
3) Audya (mmm... brush drums????...why???)

Well these are my choices:

Audya 1st

PA 2XPro 2nd

Tyros 3 3rd

The audya seemed more alive and most full
The Korg seemed alive but not as full.
The Tyros seemed compressed.

and I'm a yamaha owner........

I wouldn't worry about them, they feel the same way about many other stores also. I haven't found one in seven years. you will do just fine with the other brands you carry.

To my ears the PA2XPRO was the only one that played the harmonica solo track good enough so that I didn't think there was so much lousy pitch bend information being played wrong as I heard on the Auyda and the Tyros3. Actually, I thought the Audya was the worst. I didn't like the drum tom tom sounds as the intro ending and it added the drums. The Tyros and the Korg I thought sounded better.
I thought the Piano sound on the Korg was clearly better than the other two.
I would rate them
1-Korg
2-Yamaha
3-Audya

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First let me say "Thank You" to Frank for taking the time to do this!!

PA2xpro
Tyros3
Audya

The Audya?? Wow ... Thought it would sound much better?? Tyros3 sounds as expected very good but not as "Live" sounding. Frank did you "Upgrade" the Midi for the Tyros? Run it through the "Enhancement" program? Forgot what it's called? I believe this is an excellent way to compare keyboards. I have done this at my local Sam Ash with the Pa2x and the Tyros3.

[This message has been edited by JCkeeys (edited 05-27-2009).]

Frank,

Thanks for posting.

My Choice
1. Pa2xPro
2. Tyros 3
3. Audya

I think all of them were terrible!!
But if I were to say which one had an edge it would be the T3. Not that it sounded good, it just had a smoother flow to playing the song. I think the Korg and the Ketron are tide for last place.
It was nice to have that demo thanks for it. Not that I think the demo proves anything because as we know, none of us just take a midi file an play it without editing it for our specific keyboard.

[This message has been edited by to the genesys (edited 05-27-2009).]

I'm sure there are much better midis that could have been used, I was going to play similar styles of the 3 for the next demo

What do you think?

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Agreed....but one silly songs means nothing....

Frank go for it the forum is so slow lately we need a jolt of new stuff to converse about....until Tyros 4, S950 & Roland G90, Pa3xpro come to market soon. Seems like every demo put another nail in the Audya coffin...really sad.

Its funny, I've been getting emails and calls from people going crazy over the Audya. Each person taste and needs are different, the Audya seems very popular with the European and Latin players, the Tyros seems to be very popular with the NH and standards player, and the Korg with Middleeasterns and newer modern type stuff

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Frank,
Thanks for taking the time to record.

When a midi files is recorded it does favor the type of instrument it is recorded on -- even though it is general midi. Having all three in the same recording gave me the opportunity to jump form one to the other, great idea.

My opinion – on a one to ten you did a seven, and for that thanks again.

I favor Yamaha -- but what I heard is:
1-Pa2x Pro
2-Tyros 3
3-Audya

John C.

Frank, what midi type is the file, standard GM, or GS, XG or whatever mode?
Don't sound like the Audya using GM drumset,

In this take:

1. PA2X (2.nd best harmonica, but best balanced)
2. Yamaha ( Middle ranged, a kind of "flat" mixed)
3. Audya (Best harmonica, but something odd about the drumset,otherwise I
would range it higher on the list.

And of course, it's very personal, and would probably differ if listened live
and use several files when compare.

Cheers
GJ

They all had their strong points and highlights. If I could only choose 1 the order would be as follows.

1. Korg
2. Yammie
3. Ketron

I thought the Ketron had the best harmonica, The pianos were close but i gave the edge to the yammie. The korg had better drums and brass and voices.

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1. Tyros Ironically only becasue on this particular song the drums sound much better then the Korg,especially the crash cymbal.
the Korgs "live" drums are better suited to rock then a tightly produced ballad.
2. Korg...Nicer piano. Better harmonica.Muted guitar was clearer in the mix. Would have sounded better and my pick for number 1 on "Brickhouse"

3. Audya......lifeless.

I wonder if people would pick the same rankings in a blind test

Bottomline....It depends on the material which will sound better. Yamaha shines on the over produced polished studio stuff. Korg on the more raw in your face live stuff.

I don't "get" the Audya. It seems like a great idea that has yet to be fully implimneted.

Roland invented the form. Most SMF's that come from the web, and a large majority of commercial SMF's are balanced on Roland products or computer sound sets. Let's face it, without the Sound Canvas, GM/GS would have died the death, as poorly as everyone else implemented it.

To my ears, little has improved. But it is fascinating to see a comparison that doesn't include the de facto standard for SMF playback, and basically concludes they ALL suck, to one degree or another

It certainly points out one of my 'stuck record' themes. It doesn't matter WHAT you buy, you are going to NEED to tweak darn near everything to some considerable degree before it sounds even as good as a Sound Canvas. Let alone much better. And how easy the tools to do that tweaking is pf primary importance to anyone that isn't so cloth eared they don't CARE that it sounds worse than a Sound Canvas...

Hopefully, that's most of us.

The next time a lack of a Break/Fill seems a dealbreaker to you, ask yourself what you would have to put yourself through when faced with tweaking thirty or forty new SMF's or styles for an act... with the cumbersome to non-existent tools that other arrangers provide (or don't!). And little time to do it in.

If you want to showcase the best of the soundset and drumsets that your arranger provides, and you use commercial or web SMF's to any degree at all (and use converted or third party styles), you ARE going to have to tweak A LOT...

Bear that in mind, the next arranger you lust after. Sure, it sounds good on its' OWN styles, but how well does it deal with anything else...?

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[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 05-28-2009).]

I will post the G70 version later...

Mind you, the G70 version won't fare that well, either... at least, not unless you want to hear the file on legacy sounds. To use whatever is contemporary (for example, the V-Drum kits or TOTL piano sounds), you have to edit even the G70...

You want the best balanced GM/GS soundset ever made (before Roland started adding Fantom sounds and the like)? Probably an SC880Pro, or something like that...

You don't need to tweak those AT ALL

People, I must apologize, appartly the file I used was tweaked for another keyboard, so the sounds that were selected were not gm specific.

I will try to find something untouched

So this was a flop of a demo

Sorry

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No matter Frank. I am sure everyone appreciates the effort you have put forth.
Bernie