Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4

Posted by: pasadoble

Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 04:43 AM

Hi Guys

Treated myself to a Roland FP-4 Piano recently, I have neglected my piano technique after playing arrangers for a while now so getting back to piano basics did no realise how much I missed just playing piano but it really shows up playing errors!!! and boy do arrangers make make you lazy! anyway was just messing around with the internal recorder and threw this together...wow it really messes you up when you record yourself.

Really like the action on the FP-4 not so sure about the piano sound realism? what do you think..
http://www.box.net/shared/n3h88kp7ij

Rgds

Noel J
Posted by: Bill in Dayton

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 04:46 AM

I think its sounds rather good, Noel...

Cheers-

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Bill in Dayton
Posted by: pasadoble

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 04:58 AM

Cheers Bill......the more I hear it the more I like it....I've adusted the key response and a few more tweeks here and there and its already sounding better...if you'd like to hear something else now I've tweeked it let me know...

B-Rgds

Noel.
Posted by: zuki

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 07:52 AM

Noel,

Sounds good. I too have this same thinking. The arranger surely makes one 'lazy'. I miss my grand piano that I played all the time and need to get back to doing acoustic work some day.

How are you doing on the AX? I plan to get mine going soon.

Question: When playing your AX, are you able to tap into the Yamaha arranger sounds while playing the arranger at the same time?

zuki
Posted by: pasadoble

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 08:10 AM

Hi zuki.

Love the AX7...I tried using it in arranger mode but its awkward or perhaps it my playing style, I did try one hand on the S900 and the other on the AX7 which looked impressive to the audience but it was manic! so I just use it with my jazz trio and rock band in RH1 mode and I can select all the sounds I like from the S900 remotely...with my jazz trio I use the SA acoustic guitar and its really a head turner especially on numbers like Girl from Ipanema....

Just find a way it works for you zuki...its a great piece of kit.

Noel.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v298/N...71220070971.jpg





Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Noel,

Sounds good. I too have this same thinking. The arranger surely makes one 'lazy'. I miss my grand piano that I played all the time and need to get back to doing acoustic work some day.

How are you doing on the AX? I plan to get mine going soon.

Question: When playing your AX, are you able to tap into the Yamaha arranger sounds while playing the arranger at the same time?

zuki
Posted by: tony mads usa

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 09:39 AM

Great Bill Evans tune ... nicely done, Noel,
thnx for sharing ...
t .

[This message has been edited by tony mads usa (edited 01-04-2009).]
Posted by: pasadoble

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 10:02 AM

Cheers Tony, I do tend to rush things sometimes, I am capable of some tasteful chord changes if I had worked on it a bit longer but it was more testing the piano which I'm quite liking...think I may record Line for Lions (Gerry Mulligan) next but I'm in hospital for a jaw re-alignment operation on Tuesday so I'm going quiet recording wise for a few weeks although I hope to get the fingers over the piano while recuperating.

Rgds

Noel

[This message has been edited by pasadoble (edited 01-04-2009).]
Posted by: Fran Carango

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 10:30 AM

Noel..it sounds great..

I only hear sound on the right channel..Did you record in stereo?
Maybe the left side was not connected..
Posted by: Diki

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 11:00 AM

Yep, I've got a feeling that the left side was not connected... But whether you used the MONO out or have only the one side recorded, I'm not 100% sure (sounds like the MONO out to me!).

Not that that makes it a lesser performance! Great stuff!

My take on the sound would be to roll off just a bit of lows... Do you have the EQ engaged?
Posted by: pasadoble

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 11:00 AM

Fran...well spotted...the recordings only on one channel ? I play PC through 5.1 surronnd so I did'nt notice it as the processor must have compensated...will redo it in full stereo or perhaps re-play it.

I'm a bit over critcal of my playing, to me it's just ok but glad you liked it.

Rgds

Noel


Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Noel..it sounds great..

I only hear sound on the right channel..Did you record in stereo?
Maybe the left side was not connected..
Posted by: Diki

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 11:22 AM

Right here is one of the main reasons to record using MIDI first... You've got to replay the thing again, now, whereas if you had made a MIDI file first, it would be a simple press 'play' and you are done!

Not to mention that with MIDI, especially for a more critical use, it would be a piece of cake to rescue an inspired take with one flub in it...

I also use MIDI to capture my arranger noodles in their entirety. It makes it a LOT easier to decide if the played vs. arranger parts are in balance. I am always amazed how loud most of us like the parts that WE played to be, even when it isn't strictly correct for a complete mix... The sequencer allows an easy adjustment into balance after the fact, and still doesn't compromise the 'pure' recording of what you played live, if that's what you are after!

Don't neglect that simple MIDI recorder in your gear... It'll save you hours, sometimes!
Posted by: pasadoble

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 11:50 AM

Good point Diki...I did record it into the FP-4 midi recorder first, sadly it's lost when I turn the instrument off, it was not an important recording, just a throw away, I quite agree for more serious work midi recording is a must,, so listen up people Diki's got a valid point...not going to be able to redo it now as somethings come up but look out for more from me in Feb when I'll be recovered from my op.

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Right here is one of the main reasons to record using MIDI first... You've got to replay the thing again, now, whereas if you had made a MIDI file first, it would be a simple press 'play' and you are done!

Not to mention that with MIDI, especially for a more critical use, it would be a piece of cake to rescue an inspired take with one flub in it...

I also use MIDI to capture my arranger noodles in their entirety. It makes it a LOT easier to decide if the played vs. arranger parts are in balance. I am always amazed how loud most of us like the parts that WE played to be, even when it isn't strictly correct for a complete mix... The sequencer allows an easy adjustment into balance after the fact, and still doesn't compromise the 'pure' recording of what you played live, if that's what you are after!

Don't neglect that simple MIDI recorder in your gear... It'll save you hours, sometimes!
Posted by: BEBOP

Re: Waltz for Debby...Roland FP-4 - 01/04/09 07:41 PM

NICE WORK!
Enjoyed it.
Refreshing to actually hear somebody play piano. takes me back to better days.
Thanks for sharing,
Bebop