Posted by: chony
What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 09:32 AM
What's the MIDI CC for velocity?
What's the MIDI CC for velocity?
Posted by: Fran Carango
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 09:57 AM
Chony I think what you are looking for would be expression CC11 and cc43 (LSB expression)..
Posted by: Jørgen Sørensen
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 09:58 AM
Hi Chony
There is a MIDI Volume Controller; and it is 7 which is used for overall volume.
Note Velocity is defined within the Note On event.
Check this: http://home.roadrunner.com/~jgglatt/tech/midispec.htm
I hope I have understood your question correctly.
Regards
Jørgen
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There is a MIDI Volume Controller; and it is 7 which is used for overall volume.
Note Velocity is defined within the Note On event.
Check this: http://home.roadrunner.com/~jgglatt/tech/midispec.htm
I hope I have understood your question correctly.
Regards
Jørgen
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Posted by: Jørgen Sørensen
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 10:00 AM
Hi
Maybe Fran's suggestion is what you are looking for ;-)
Regards
Jørgen
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Maybe Fran's suggestion is what you are looking for ;-)
Regards
Jørgen
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Posted by: chony
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 12:18 PM
I'm trying to set up a MIDI filter on Cubase that automatically reduces the velocity of an incoming cymbal by 25%. But to program that, I need to tell Cubase which CC number the velocity is...
I'm not sure I understand you guys. If I do CC11 that should work?
I'm not sure I understand you guys. If I do CC11 that should work?
Posted by: Jørgen Sørensen
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 12:29 PM
Hi Chony
CC 07 (Volume) and CC 11 (Expression) are both global controllers meaning they will change volume/velocity/expression for all notes.
I think you have to change the velocity in the NoteOn event for that particular note.
A cymbal has a note value; and it is located in the Drum channel.
I am not familar with Cubase; and I dont know if this is possible.
Something like:
if channel = 10 (default drum channel) and note = 49 (chrash cymbal in GM MIDI) then newVolume = 0.75 x oldVolume
Could be programmed ;-)
Regards
Jørgen
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CC 07 (Volume) and CC 11 (Expression) are both global controllers meaning they will change volume/velocity/expression for all notes.
I think you have to change the velocity in the NoteOn event for that particular note.
A cymbal has a note value; and it is located in the Drum channel.
I am not familar with Cubase; and I dont know if this is possible.
Something like:
if channel = 10 (default drum channel) and note = 49 (chrash cymbal in GM MIDI) then newVolume = 0.75 x oldVolume
Could be programmed ;-)
Regards
Jørgen
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The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site
Posted by: miden
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 01:37 PM
Chony,
The velocity is data that is stored with the NOTE EVENT, as is the length and the time it is played.
CC (control Change) events affect the note after it has been played, or just prior.But are applied to the whole track at one time and cannot be applied to a single note, unless it is on its own track and channel.
Therefore in this case a CC would not do what you want.
You will need to go into the note edit view and physically change the initial velocity value. I forget now exactly the order that Cubase uses ( I use Sonar) but it odes use a NOTE ON and a NOTE OFF velcity value.
I beleive (as is the case with Sonar) that there will be a midi tool that will enable you to vary the velocities of a whole track, passages or even just specific notes if you use the select by filter tool. Although this WILL depend on what version you have.
Dennis
The velocity is data that is stored with the NOTE EVENT, as is the length and the time it is played.
CC (control Change) events affect the note after it has been played, or just prior.But are applied to the whole track at one time and cannot be applied to a single note, unless it is on its own track and channel.
Therefore in this case a CC would not do what you want.
You will need to go into the note edit view and physically change the initial velocity value. I forget now exactly the order that Cubase uses ( I use Sonar) but it odes use a NOTE ON and a NOTE OFF velcity value.
I beleive (as is the case with Sonar) that there will be a midi tool that will enable you to vary the velocities of a whole track, passages or even just specific notes if you use the select by filter tool. Although this WILL depend on what version you have.
Dennis
Posted by: Diki
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 11:27 PM
Chony...
If you use the Input Transformer (if that is still in the new Cubase, I know it from VST5) you set up a filter that ONLY (Equal) selects the note number of the crash cymbal, THEN multiply the velocity by 0.75. That will do it in realtime (on input).
OTOH, if the part is already in Cubase, you Option-click on the note in the key editor (possibly different on a PC, but it will be in the manual... look up 'select all equal notes'), then you can use the Transpose and Velocity editor (command-h on a Mac) to divide their values, or add or subtract, whatever.
That key command, where you modify-key select one note, and it selects ALL the notes of that note number (in the Part), is one of the most useful key commands to learn, for editing drum parts. You CAN do it in the Drum editor, simply by selecting one drum note to edit, but I prefer to do everything in the same key editor, I'm not a huge fan of the Drum Editor page...
Hope this helps.
[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 07-22-2008).]
If you use the Input Transformer (if that is still in the new Cubase, I know it from VST5) you set up a filter that ONLY (Equal) selects the note number of the crash cymbal, THEN multiply the velocity by 0.75. That will do it in realtime (on input).
OTOH, if the part is already in Cubase, you Option-click on the note in the key editor (possibly different on a PC, but it will be in the manual... look up 'select all equal notes'), then you can use the Transpose and Velocity editor (command-h on a Mac) to divide their values, or add or subtract, whatever.
That key command, where you modify-key select one note, and it selects ALL the notes of that note number (in the Part), is one of the most useful key commands to learn, for editing drum parts. You CAN do it in the Drum editor, simply by selecting one drum note to edit, but I prefer to do everything in the same key editor, I'm not a huge fan of the Drum Editor page...
Hope this helps.
[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 07-22-2008).]
Posted by: miden
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/22/08 11:50 PM
Thanks for chiming in and providing the Cubase data Diki. My expertise is with Sonar as far as tools and editing goes.
Cheers,
Dennis
Cheers,
Dennis
Posted by: chony
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/23/08 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Chony...
If you use the Input Transformer (if that is still in the new Cubase, I know it from VST5) you set up a filter that ONLY (Equal) selects the note number of the crash cymbal, THEN multiply the velocity by 0.75. That will do it in realtime (on input).
OTOH, if the part is already in Cubase, you Option-click on the note in the key editor (possibly different on a PC, but it will be in the manual... look up 'select all equal notes'), then you can use the Transpose and Velocity editor (command-h on a Mac) to divide their values, or add or subtract, whatever.
That key command, where you modify-key select one note, and it selects ALL the notes of that note number (in the Part), is one of the most useful key commands to learn, for editing drum parts. You CAN do it in the Drum editor, simply by selecting one drum note to edit, but I prefer to do everything in the same key editor, I'm not a huge fan of the Drum Editor page...
Hope this helps.
[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 07-22-2008).]
Chony...
If you use the Input Transformer (if that is still in the new Cubase, I know it from VST5) you set up a filter that ONLY (Equal) selects the note number of the crash cymbal, THEN multiply the velocity by 0.75. That will do it in realtime (on input).
OTOH, if the part is already in Cubase, you Option-click on the note in the key editor (possibly different on a PC, but it will be in the manual... look up 'select all equal notes'), then you can use the Transpose and Velocity editor (command-h on a Mac) to divide their values, or add or subtract, whatever.
That key command, where you modify-key select one note, and it selects ALL the notes of that note number (in the Part), is one of the most useful key commands to learn, for editing drum parts. You CAN do it in the Drum editor, simply by selecting one drum note to edit, but I prefer to do everything in the same key editor, I'm not a huge fan of the Drum Editor page...
Hope this helps.
[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 07-22-2008).]
Diki thanks!
I was playing around with the input transformer - but couldn't quite work out what language to use. I'll try it tomorrow...
Posted by: Diki
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/23/08 01:08 AM
Why the need for realtime?
Editing after the fact seems a far more precise (you might need some more or less that 75% velocity), and an opportunity for less mechanicality than a simple transform...
BTW, those modifier keys on the basic tools are the most time-saving shortcuts you can ever learn... I have a four button trackball, that allows me to click, shift click, option click and control click with any tool without going to the computer keyboard. Apart from typing track names, I can pretty much run Cubase with one hand. A thing of beauty!
Editing after the fact seems a far more precise (you might need some more or less that 75% velocity), and an opportunity for less mechanicality than a simple transform...
BTW, those modifier keys on the basic tools are the most time-saving shortcuts you can ever learn... I have a four button trackball, that allows me to click, shift click, option click and control click with any tool without going to the computer keyboard. Apart from typing track names, I can pretty much run Cubase with one hand. A thing of beauty!
Posted by: chony
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/23/08 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Why the need for realtime?
Why the need for realtime?
The reason to do it realtime is because I'm recording an electric drum set and need it to hear the final sound through a particular module in realtime so that I can record more accurately.
Posted by: Diki
Re: What's the MIDI CC for velocity? - 07/23/08 11:19 AM
You can't just dial back the trigger parameters on the crash? When it comes to triggering drum sounds, I'm always a little leery of introducing any extra latency, especially as you have already gone through the latency of a MIDI interface into the computer. A couple of drummers I've worked with (I have a Hart Dynamics kit myself) swear they can hear a little extra when you use the transformer... I don't notice it myself, but then again, I'm no drummer! 