NEWS FROM LIONSTRACS

I was not long time ago on LIONSTRACS web page and now I find a lot of new things there.
NEW GIGA GM/GS Soundbank 8530 V.8 with 1670 GIGA Instruments and PRO GM DRUMKITS! http://www.lionstracs.com/store/giga-sounbank-8530-p-167.html

DEMOS: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/demo/bedrocker.mp3 http://www.lionstracs.com/store/demo/Moonracer.mp3 http://www.lionstracs.com/store/demo/kathysdream.mp3

GM PRO HYPER GIGA DRUMS KITS! With 20 NEW HYPER GIGA DRUMS KITS! http://www.lionstracs.com/store/hyper-drums-p-166.html

GM PRO GIGA DRUMS KITS! http://www.lionstracs.com/store/pro-gm-drums-p-164.html

GIGA ORIENTAL V4 http://www.lionstracs.com/store/giga-oriental-p-169.html

GIGA ORIENTAL Sound Bank V.4¸DVD DISK 1456
GIGA Brass 1 http://www.lionstracs.com/store/giga-brass-p-146.html

If at other brand of keyboards web page in so short period is a lot of news as here, please tell me.

Great job LIONSTRACS TEAM and thanks for all this news.

Just curious, Alfa..... Let's just take this demo as an example (from the style demo page at Lionstracs):
http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/styles/balladbeat.mp3

Am I going deaf, or is that guitar out of tune? BADLY out of tune....?

When is Domenik going to realize THIS is his competition;
http://tinyurl.com/39hanm

Until he can match this, what's the point?

I will say that I too wish more Mediastation owners would post examples. I support the unit, but I could sit here throwing "bunny rabbits, rainbows, and butterflies" all day in praise of the MS, but no amount of verbal fluff from me will help others understand what the MS is capable of doing as an arranger without more demos from the users.

Squeak


[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 04-11-2007).]

Despite the recent discussions I think everyone will agree that Domenik should be allowed to post a reply on this one

Kind regards,
Tommy

A suggestion too.. Not that I dislike the 80's and all, but too often I find that some factory demos are a 80's flash back. Someone on another keyboard forum made a comment once about keyboard makers employing demo production specialists who weren't 80's flower childern Made me laugh my ass off to be honest

Dom here's a suggestion. I listened to the drum examples, and my friend I mean no harm by this, but I was unimpressed to say the least. Those drums had a serious 80's feel to them. At one point I felt like WHAM, Paula Abdul, Bobby Brown, George Michael, or Richard Marx could break into a verse.

Also what makes them sound 80's(ish) is the "constant" feel to it. There aren't much in the dynamics, and most importantly if the quantize is being used, lower the grid strength. Sometimes midi'ing up a pad controller to a keyboard can produce great results for drums.

In all honestly a really good sound can be lost in a demo if "dynamics" are ignored. The largest giga drum kit on the market can sound like a $99.00 Casio if not recorded properly.



[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 04-11-2007).]

But squeak, don't you, er, 'get it'...? This is an OPEN systems arranger.

I guess this means that you not only have to roll your own styles, but you have to roll your own sounds as well.....

I guess they just don't realize.... If we HAD the skill to write styles and program sounds and sample instruments as well as the majors, well, we'd be working for them, doing exactly THAT!

Me, I'm a player. Some technical skills, OK, but I wouldn't dare dream for one instant that I had the skills to make a complete set of styles that rival the majors. And I'll go one step further..... I GUARANTEE that there is not one single person posting on this forum that has those skills either.

You know how I know.....? Because that person would be making a fortune SELLING us styles for our existing arrangers....! If he's THAT good, he's either already making styles for the majors, or selling third-party styles. Unfortunately, this mythical creature never comes here (where you would think he would). So I am lead to believe he doesn't exist.

But he is Domenik's apparent target market. Best of luck, mate......

None of us LIKE to admit we have limitations, but I for one am prepared to admit that there might be a few things too difficult for me to achieve, or too boring to want to try. Making a complete set of killer styles is one of those things. And I am prepared to bet that no-one else here is, either.

Domenik, on the other hand, is betting his entire future on the fact that we ARE skilled enough to do exactly that. I wouldn't want to take that bet if it were MY company on the line.

Diki,
I wouldn't say MS owners have to provide their own "voices". The MS ships with some good voices. It just also has the "ability" to load the giga sounds for example.

I do agree that in the styles department that it "would appear" the MS owners are left to either write their own, or convert styles from other makers. I also understand that not everyone is capable of creating styles. Playing drums on the keys for example isn't the easiest thing to do.

Maybe someone here has the ability to write styles that compete with the big three. If they do, I'd love to see their equipment I'm no expert at writing styles, but I can do it. I am without a doubt in the "minority" here. I "program" and edit more than most people would care to do here, but that's just me.

Still I'd love to at least hear some of the preset voices, with either preset or user styles.

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 04-11-2007).]

for DIKI
i am listen demo for Tyros2
which is give for people
I will give You much better sound
and drums from LIONSTRACS MSX becouse
I made sample for this synth.I have for me
and not sending DOMENIC jet.If You have midi
phrase send me on this email
trosha@po.sbb.co.yu
I havent time to practise this litle part
from T2
Regards
Trosha

Trosha,
WOW you're a sound designer for Lionstracs Post some demos man!

If your demos are SO much better than the factory ones, why are they not already up there?

And I am talking STYLE demos. I don't care if you used that damn thing as a workstation, or a DAW, or an espresso machine! I want to hear style demos that justify it's price. I want to hear style demos that justify the price of a PSR3k.... (haven't even heard one of those, yet!)

So many people posting what you COULD do with an MS, but nobody posting what they HAVE.....

It's the Emperor's new arranger... (He's not wearing any styles...!)

Belive me I havent time now to record
some song.I must finish 50 drums kit
for Domenic and LIONSTRACS and sending
tomorow.It will be over 1 GB giga drums
for MSX.After that I work also 2 BIG drums
diferent with 20 kit per drums
and this drums will be BEST drums for
arranger in the world next 10 years.
I promisse this
T2 and Korg will be for children drums
regards
Trosha

also for DIKI
please contact me now on MSN
trosha@po.sbb.co.yu
I am here
and we can talk
I am waiting You
I have also Yamaha 9000 pro
regards

Diki... http://www.lionstracs.com/store/information_pages.php?info_id=29

Very funny, Dom

To be honest, I would LOVE to get one of these, once the reality matches the hype. I am possibly one of the few here at SZ that DOES use DAWs and VSTi's extensively, and that could use most of the fancier functions that it offers.

But I am not going near it with a barge-pole until it equals or surpasses even my current G70, yet alone a T2 or E80 AS AN ARRANGER. I already have a Mac based DAW. I already have a bunch of VSTi's. I don't need to duplicate their function. I would like the best arranger I can afford.

Until the MS's styles blow my G70 out of the water WITHOUT me putting in a supertanker boatload full of work, please don't waste your time sending me to a page where I can buy a MS! If that is Italian humor, it's about as funny as Mussolini.

And no, I do not want to talk 'privately' with any factory reps or developers. Post your comments publicly (hire a translator, too) so all of us get the benefit. Post your demos publicly. Stop treating us like idiots.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it IS a duck...! I don't care that with months of work, and a few more updates, it MIGHT have some eagle-like characteristics.

Once it 'flies like an eagle', THEN come back and direct me to the place I can buy one..... We've been on this treadmill for what, two or three years now? Still waiting for your demos to match your hype. I'm running out of patience...

Diki..are you running out of patience?
...then it mean that you are a loser....
You can never doing some important in your life IF you always running out of patience for this small stuff.

Look at me...after the all Sh...t that you continue give me...I'm still here and the Mediastation will continue grown without END.
To be strong and a lot of patience...one day I'm sure that I will be payed.
And you know why?
Because the future is only under PC system and the Mediastation is starting to give the all what you there are dreaming from years...
Just patience...is only software to develope and NOT and new hardware keyboard to rebuilding with some new keys and 10-14 megavoice sounds every time....

If you really love your PC setup, ton of VST, applications...may you show me IF with your system you can play ONE waltz, then one March and one 8 beat styles and change the sounds in the right hand?
Just how will make one simple CASIO arranger...just shown me if your big setup is ready for make so one simple basic features...
AH..I will not see that you need 3-5 minute for switch one style and loading the all setups again..this feature can make every standard PC system.
Just shown us one simple CASIO arranger setup.
I will see what you can do.
I'm here and I wait too.
Now we will see how much true patience you have...talking is really so easy...shown is totally different.
cheers

Firstly, Domenik, call your potential customers a 'loser' and see how your business develops. More Italian humor?

Secondly, crap styles are not 'small stuff' (except MAYBE to a guy that is more interested in features than sound)

Thirdly, I am NOT giving you sh*t. I am merely pointing out the difference between your hype, and the abysmal demos at your site. If YOU can't make it good, how are we?

Fourthly, most people buy an arranger for what it does NOW... and THEN they worry about the future. No-one in their right minds buy a crappy sounding arranger and just HOPES it will sound better in the future. They buy the best sounding arranger made NOW, and at least have something they can play without waiting for YEARS before it compares to a 'closed' system arranger.

If you continue to treat the legitimate worries of the majority of your potential customers with such contempt, well, you can only continue to upgrade it if you are in business.... And that won't be long if you don't pony up some decent styles, and quick.

I can't believe what I am reading here. Lionstracs can't be a serious business when the owner can treat potential customers this way. I am sure that after this nobody here at Synthzone would even consider buying a Mediastation.

Kind regards,
Tommy

[This message has been edited by TommyF (edited 04-11-2007).]