Q on SA Sax in Tyros 2...

I have a question for something I notice when I'm using the Super Articulation Sax in my T2.

Everytime I chord with my left hand, it cuts out whatever I'm playing in the SA Sax voice with my Right hand...

Has anyone else experienced this and is there a way to not have LH chording cut off my RH sax lines?

Thanks-

Bill in Dayton

Check the setting for the keyboard split point.

Ian

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Ian-

I use the full keyboard mode...I don't use a split point..

???

Bill

Hi Bill,

The SA sax switches to monophonic mode depending on your phrasing and in full keyboard mode, the sound will get cut off, as you have discovered.

Some other SA voices respond the same way, such as Trumpet.

It works fine in split keyboard.

Hope this helps.

Ian

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Bill,
The SA sax plays mono or polyphonically depending on how you play (as it says in the Information on that voice). So if you tend to play in a way (legato?) that invokes mono mode when you're trying to get it to play multi notes (and using LH chords in full keyboard mode will do that), something's gotta give.
I've tried playing as you describe and while it's not a total loss I get intermittent cut outs of not only the RH note, but occasionally the LH too.
You can use the SA BigBandSax which sounds very similar and as far as I can tell doesn't drop out. (It is'nt described as being able to change to mono in the way the above does.)
John

Duplication of posting unintentional there Ian.
John

But appreciated, lol...

Thanks guys!

Bill

Just a thought...
Can you split the keyboard in 2 sections and assign the same instrument for the left and right parts?
It will sound exactly the same as without split, but maybe the Tyros will not cut what you play with the right hand when you press chords in with the left because it will be on a "different" part of the keyboard.
Iam not sure I described it well, not sure if it can be done.

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Now I realised i described what was proposed above, sorry guys, got to get more coffee....

[This message has been edited by trident (edited 01-09-2007).]

Guys-

I tried putting the split point at the lowest end of the keybaord and it still cuts out. Same thing if I slide them all to the highest note.

Maybe I'm not understanding:

A-What you guys are suggesting
B-What the split stuff is all about in the first place

If I can't use full keyboard mode with SA voices, what would be the next best fingering mode to switch to? I need to be able to play the entire range of keys as a piano for 99% of all my tunes, and be able to switch into different voices via the R2, R3 buttons...

Thanks for your help...

Bill

Quoting Bill, "If I can't use full keyboard mode with SA voices, what would be the next best fingering mode to switch to"

Hi Bill,
According to the information button it's only certain SA voices that react in that (unacceptable to you) way.
Select SA Saxophone & press Information.
Note the words "monophonic or polyphonic depending on how you play".
Suggest you stop using that sax and substitute BigBandSax which doesn't have that restriction and moreover sounds exactly the same as the original one.
The SA Silver trumpet plays similarly to the SA Sax, so avoid that one but if you want the "same" sound switch to the Sweet Silver Trumpet on Page 2. (Makes you wonder what the special merit of some of these SA voices are considering there are substitutes which can sound at least as good).

So my suggestion is to look at the info. and substitute any troublesome voices - there are plenty to choose from.

John

I totally agree....that's one of the reasons I chose to use a 3k over my T2....good post.

On the other hand you may want to check out and listen here -
http://tinyurl.com/yowypt

May be of interest to anyone who has given up on SA voices-Heh

Bear in mind the first part of the demo is sounding the default voice, then be ready for more "in-your-face"!

Regards, John

[This message has been edited by jwyvern (edited 01-29-2007).]

I just think that even WANTING to put a sax sound across the whole keyboard is questionable. Why would you need that amount of range for a sound that only spans a few octaves?

The way to make non keyboard sounds realistic is to restrict yourself to only playing them in their natural range, and idiomatically. In other words, a sax never solos on top of a chord of sax players playing an octave or two below him! Saxes tend to have very close voicing (the melody intelligence feature on many arrangers is a wonderfully easy way to emulate those kinds of voicings).

If you are trying to play a sax sound pianistically (two hands, whole keyboard) I am afraid it will never sound right. Use your left hand to play chords for the arranger, maybe a soft piano/string layer or pad, and play the solo sound as a split.

If there are too many button presses to go from full piano full keyboard to split piano/sax, consider making two different registrations, and just hold the style and tempo as you change.

Just remember that each and every sound has it's own unique way of needing to be played. Piano licks are no good with an organ sound. Sax solos with a bender don't work with electric piano sounds, a Wurlitzer EP has different voicing needs to a grand piano....

The best way to nail a good sax solo is to listen carefully to a real sax player for quite a while! Until you understand what a sax player would NEVER play, you will always find yourself doing exactly that, and spoiling the whole effect.

The T2's SA voices represent a revolution in ability to shape a phrase with legato and staccato playing. BUT..... you have to understand when and how the original instrument would play these techniques before you are going to be able to use the keyboard for a convincing solo.

You only have to listen to the factory demos to understand that, with time and skill, YOU can make it sound that good.....

Great post... truer arranger words that were ever spoken!