new mic and mixer

Posted by: Janez

new mic and mixer - 02/13/02 07:21 AM

I'd like a new masive vocal mic for live performans and pasive mixer with good efx and 16 ch's. Adviced me guys.

Janez
Posted by: Uncle Dave

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/13/02 07:32 AM

What do you mean by "Masive" mic? That term is not something I'm familiar with, when discussing mics.
I love the EV N/Dym series, and use the 767a most of the time. If you have Phantom power, another favorite of mine is the Shure Beta 87a. They cost about 250 but have a hot, clear sound that rejects feedback like nothing else.
Posted by: DonM

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/13/02 08:24 PM

For my number one mic I use the Shure Beta 87 also (the original, it's getting old, but hasn't lost anything yet.)
I is very directional and pretty "hot" so feedback is kept to a minimum. Fairly flat response.
They are not inexpensive. I recently replaced the screen and pop filter --$45.00!
DonM
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 07:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
I is very directional and pretty "hot" so feedback is kept to a minimum. DonM


About feedback: I found an interesting device, that works great for me. When I perform in tiny places (normally small bars) feedback is (almost) inevitable. This feedback destroyer, called Behringer Shark, has several extremely narrow filters that dramatically reduce the gain of specific frequencies. There are 12 filters in total. It also has a "learning function" that searches the frequencies where the feedback occurs, and ajusts the narrow filter gain reductions accordingly. The great things are: i) ease of use with the learning function ii) the voice quality is not too much affected because the filters are so narrow. It incorporates phantom power, for those who prefer condenser mics. It's a really small and light piece of equipment, that turns out to be really useful.

José Matias.
Posted by: Vic01

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 12:12 PM

Feedback is a particular problem for me. I currently use the eq on my wk8's mic inputs to notch out the offending frequencies a little but it's only somewhat effective. Something like a Behringer Shark may prove helpful.

[This message has been edited by Vic01 (edited 02-15-2002).]
Posted by: Roel

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 12:20 PM

Jose,
I too use the Behringer DSP110 (Sharc or Shark) and it is unbelievable how fine this tiny-box works ! 10(w) x 8(h) x 10(d) cm
You have :
HiQ mic-amplifier
Phantom power
Time delays (0 - 2,5 seconds)
Noise-gate
Compressor/limiter
12 band automatic anti-feedback EQ

The sound is bright and clear

Roel
Posted by: Scottyee

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 12:39 PM

Roel recommended the Behringer Sharc (Shark) to me a while back and I'm GLAD I listened to his advice. I have found it very effective in elimating on stage vocal feedback. A lot of useful features in a small box, and at a great price. - Scott
Posted by: Scottyee

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 12:58 PM

Janez: I currently use the EV757 dyanmic mic and/or the AKG C3000 condenser mic (requires phantom power) for live performance. The EV757 has been my longtime favorite workhorse mic because it's rugged, provides a hot signal, and adds a silky richness to your voice. The C3000 on the other hand, though not as rugged (don't drop it!), provides more vocal clarity (especially in the mids) and isn't colored or hyped. Though I'm happy with my current setup, I've been very impressed with the dynamic mics (OM series) from Audix because they come closest to offering the vocal clarity and accuracy (unhyped) of a condenser mic in a rugged dynamic type mic. Check them out at: http://www.audixusa.com/

- Scott

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Posted by: DonM

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 01:58 PM

I'd buy anything to add silky richness to my voice! Does it work with twang?
DonM
Posted by: Dnj

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 02:12 PM

I returned my EV757 mic to much Mid range for my voice. I now have fell in love with the SENNHEISER 855 Evolution Mic, there is such a difference in dynamics.
Posted by: DonM

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 02:15 PM

But does it give your voice silky smoothness?
Don
Posted by: Dnj

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 02:42 PM

Oh comon Don,

I don't need a Mic for that :>)
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 07:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Vic01:
Feedback is a particular problem for me. I currently use the eq on my wk8's mic inputs to notch out the offending frequencies a little but it's only somewhat effective. Something like a Behringer Shark may prove helpful.

[This message has been edited by Vic01 (edited 02-15-2002).]


The problem with classic equalization in order to eliminate feedback frequencies, is that filters are not suficiently narrow. As
a consequence:

i) just as you experience, it's not always effective, because the gain reduction in the offending frequencies isn't strong enough.
ii) the voice sound tends to loose quality, as many relatively large frequency bands close to the feedback frequencies are rejected.

In order to get effective feedback elimination with a minimum loss of quality, it's essencial to have "parametric equalization", thus the freedom to choose the specific offending frequencies, with the narrowest possible rejection band. Precisely what this small box does! Sometimes it's the only way of stoping feedback, when you really can't move your speakers.

José.
Posted by: tony mads usa

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 07:55 PM

....I'll show my lack of new technology education .. what is "Phantom Power"?!?...
t.
Posted by: Clif Anderson

Re: new mic and mixer - 02/15/02 09:30 PM

Condenser microphones need a power supply. It is possible to supply the power using the same cable used to carry audio from the microphone to a mixer (or whatever). I guess since there are no batteries and no separate power lines, the power is "phantom".