Donny & UD - how do you like...

Posted by: zuki

Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/09/07 10:47 AM

Your PA800?

1. Is it as easy to navigate as the PSR?
2. Can you hit registrations on the fly to do meldeys?
3. Do the styles cover enough ground, i.e. big band, ballads, etc.
4. Is the harmonizer user friendly, or do you have to tweek it? I vision using the harmonizer button to do 2 or 3 part without any adjustments?
5. Do the fills have a lot of glitches that make it seem unnatural?

Thanks,
zuki
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/09/07 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Your PA800?

1. Is it as easy to navigate as the PSR?


First off its not an equal comparison to a mid range PSR or S series unit.....
TYROS 2 would be an equal comparison Zuki,
now lets move on...IMO its easier because besides the Performance setups locations you also have the the "SONGBOOK" feature retains ALL performance parameters & setup info unlike the Yamaha MFD which doesn't save all eg: Transpose, STYLES,SMF, Mp3, KAR, this powerful feature alone is great for live performance...just create any amount of custom set lists, song lists or just mix em up with different categories, the Navagation BUTTON position layout is well thought out and for me easy to access in REAL TIME using LH/RH/ or the EC5 pedal....scroll thru the list while your playing , hit select and your there instantly I love it its something I always wished Yamaha had. Also You can link lyrics text files to each MP3 and you can play the keyboard along with while playing an MP3. You can manage your MP3's as songbook custom lists and Record MP3's through mic.


2. Can you hit registrations on the fly to do medleys?

As stated above KORG doesn't call them registrations but "PERFORMANCES"....and YES from the SONGBOOK as I stated above while your playing just Scroll, select and the next song will start.


3. Do the styles cover enough ground, i.e. big band, ballads, etc.

This is the first time I have used a KB that I can truly say that I only have have on-board about 8 Converted styles vs 25/30 on my Yamaha's...for my needs Korg did it right there is a full array of styles for every genre. Some had to be adjusted but that very easy also, editing is a breeze.

4. Is the harmonizer user friendly, or do you have to tweak it? I vision using the harmonizer button to do 2 or 3 part without any adjustments?

Zuki the TC Helicon is the BEST Vocalizer I have ever used on a arranger KB hands down, tracking is superb, no dropouts , crystal clear, dave & i have discussed the setting and honestly there is not much you have to do although you can go crazy with settings if you want to, but not needed for normal singing harmonies just choose 1,2,3 above or below etc etc ...use the EC5 pedal or the on-board Harmony button to switch between on/off.

5. Do the fills have a lot of glitches that make it seem unnatural?

I have no problems with fills because I use them properly while playing another nice feature is that if you push once you get the fill, you push twice and the lite will flash and the Fill Repeats until you hit it again.....the new OS 1.51 has addressed many of the problems and of course there is SO much much more to this wonderful instrument to consider, Im still learning every day with mine Im so glad I bought one......I suggest you read the online manual and watch the demo videos also.
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/en/products/pa800_demo.html?en

Thanks,
zuki




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Posted by: zuki

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/09/07 07:44 PM

Thanks Donny
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 02:34 PM

PA800 SongBook
This exciting feature was developed to make your life easier while playing live. The SongBook is a Musical Database, completely user programmable, containing all the settings needed to play a particular song. You have only to search the title of the song you would like to play, select it and hit "Play". The SongBook can use styles, mid files or MP3 (with "Dual MP3 Expansion Board" option installed) and immediately recall settings such as Song Title, Genre, Artist, Tempo, Volumes, Sounds, Muted Tracks, FX settings, Easy Edit, 4 STS*, Master Transpose and more. Everything you need to play your song back perfectly is in the SongBook, a useful musical feature that is unique to Korg - the only Arranger keyboards available with all these sophisticated controls.

(*STS - Single Touch Settings is a memory that recalls sounds for all the real time tracks (upper1, 2, 3 & lower).)
Posted by: Bernie9

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 03:05 PM

Sorry to barge in but, I think the PA800 is by far the best KB I have ever had. I was dreading the task of converting many KN7000 styles to Korg, but after auditioning the internal styles, I am going to forget it.

Bernie
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 03:18 PM

Bernie I hear ya ....I have never used more factory styles more then on the pa800 there are so many VERY USABLE Ones for every genre for sure very well done especially thruoughout the variation progression...just a few edits here and there makes all the difference....
I only have on-board 6 converted ones.
Once you put in your homework your good to go.Korgs RX technology is awesome.

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Posted by: Bernie9

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 04:02 PM

If it's good enough for you, it most certainly is for me.
Posted by: Uncle Dave

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 06:08 PM

Quote:
1. Is it as easy to navigate as the PSR?


** Not quite as simple, but once you know the "korg way" it's very logical ! Some things are better, but I miss the EASE of the mixer/effects section in the Yamaha design.


Quote:
2. Can you hit registrations on the fly to do meldeys?


** Oh yes ! More versatility than PSR in that regard. Many ways to fly through changes.

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3. Do the styles cover enough ground, i.e. big band, ballads, etc.


** Styles are a bit busier than I'd prefer, but 100% editable. VERY usable. There is something for almost everything I play.


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4. Is the harmonizer user friendly, or do you have to tweek it? I vision using the harmonizer button to do 2 or 3 part without any adjustments?


** I use the default preset with only volume and blend adjustments. BEST I ever had built in ! Might just be as good as ANY I've had !

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5. Do the fills have a lot of glitches that make it seem unnatural?


** They are not unnatural...they are busy. Flashy. (too flashy, sometimes) They tend to sound like a different band than the style just had playing. The good thing about Korg is that many of the patterns are 8 measures long with simple variations built in at the end of the phrase, so the need to fill is not as great.
Posted by: zuki

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 08:03 PM

Thanks UD, Dnj and Bernie too Anyone else can chmime in also.
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 08:13 PM

Zuki the PA800 has ALL the goods.........

Its the player who must make it shine!
Posted by: Nick G

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 08:23 PM

i think a Korg will definitely be my next arranger

the one thing keeping me from purchasing an 800 is the fact that i think the keyboard looks ugly lol dont hold that against me its just how i work. hehe

i will wait for the PA2x and most likely look into that as a serious option.
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 08:29 PM

Its referred to as the "BLUE MARVEL"
Posted by: rikkisbears

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/10/07 11:24 PM

Hi Zuki,
saw one today. I like the Korg operating system. Hope to pick mine up on the weekend.

best wishes
Rikki
Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Thanks UD, Dnj and Bernie too Anyone else can chmime in also.

Posted by: Nick G

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 01:10 AM

Rikki how much did u get your PA 800 for? i am curious to know how much they are selling for in Austalia at the moment...
Posted by: rikkisbears

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 05:10 AM

Hi Nick,
they retail for $4995

You should probably be able to pick one up for 20% to 25% discount.

I actually asked the local dealer if he could match the price I normally got via my ex boss in Sydney. (Didn't want to make a 2 hr trip to Sydney if possible.)
The guy gulped, asked me if I normally got trade price, explained who I worked for & what I did, & promptly offered me a similar casual job , plus the discount.
Boy , if only I didn't live an hour away from his store, ( instead of the 5 mins I used to travel in Sydney) I would have jumped at the opportunity just to get involved again..

Meanwhile I offered to take phone calls if he had any interested PA800 customers. I used to luv talking to people.

I've got a manual to study. There's quite a number of new functions my old i2 definately didn't have.

It's really been rather a bizzare day.

I'm hoping I've finally found a replacement for the gap left by Technics for me. Time will tell. Neither my SD1+ or PSR1500 have quite filled the gap( I like both of them & will be keeping them)if Korg doesn't turn out to be my new ideal brand of keyboard, I've really only got Roland left to try. Haven't had one since I sold my VA7.

Might have a hell of a time convincing hubby I need a 4th, though . haa haa.


Have you actually checked PA800 prices??

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nick G:
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Posted by: ChicoBrasil

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 05:22 AM

I'd try a PA800 but here in Brasil, Korg top models are very expensive.
A PA800 costs 30% more than a Tyros2 or E80.
It's absurd.
Chico
Posted by: rikkisbears

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 02:17 PM

Hi Chico,
that's incedible.
We're the oppsite. Here the T2 & E80 retail for approx $6,000 AUD, the Korg PA800 just under $5,000.
I doubt anyone pays the full price though.

I remember when the PA1X Pro first came out, it was round $9,000 AUD. At that time though, I think the reason was the Aussie dollar was down in value against the USA Dollar..

To me the PA800 seemed good value for a top end arranger.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote:
Originally posted by ChicoBrasil:
I'd try a PA800 but here in Brasil, Korg top models are very expensive.
A PA800 costs 30% more than a Tyros2 or E80.
It's absurd.
Chico
Posted by: hellboy44

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 04:40 PM

Yeah my PA1X-Pro Elite (which I bought - in an emergency - 2 months ago maximum) cost me only $4995 (Australian).


Bargain as far as I'm concerned - Pa2x/800 or not!
Posted by: jedi

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 04:56 PM

Hi Guy`s,

I have a question !

Now before you think I`m crazy or living under a rock , let me say this first:

I own a Mac , I don`t own an iPod and I have never used iTunes.

Now , we got that out of the way , so here goes:

I popped a CD into my mac and instead of playing it , I opened it and found all the songs to be .aiff files.
So i crossed referenced the info I have on the Pa800 and it will read .aiff files with the EXBP - MP3 Expansion Board.

OK , now we are cook`n , I think , so if I had a Pa800 with the MP3 board i could rip songs off a CD and onto a USB flash drive and load hem onto the Pa800.

Now , other than listen to them , what can you do with them ?

Can you play along , change different tracks ?

In other words , what the heck does that board do !!!

Many thanks , and sorry for being a little behind the times !
I`m just not as young as I was yesterday !!

Gary
Posted by: rikkisbears

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 06:57 PM

Hi Hellboy,
how are you finding your new korg??
Great price considering what they retailed for when they first arrived.

best wishes
Rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by hellboy44:
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Posted by: Uncle Dave

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 08:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jedi:
Can you play along , change different tracks ?


You can't change anything but the tempo and the overall key. ( haven't tried either yet ) The real benefit is two-fold.
1) Play along with real audio files so you can include vocal harmonies, actual solo instruments etc..... Great sound
2) Play DJ style on breaks. Load up stuff that you can't ( or won't )do live and play them on the breaks while you give the folks a break from your voice !

Think of it as an SMF sequencer that plays real audio files.
Posted by: jedi

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 08:49 PM

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your help !

So basically , that feature is just has you mentioned , and the only thing you can do is change the tempo and add vocal harmonies.

So for example a guitar solo can`t be turned into a piano solo , ok that`s cool.

Even being able to play along is pretty cool , can you real time record your performance and the MP3`s sound together ?

Many thanks your help , take care !

Gary
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/11/07 09:40 PM

Dont forget you can also RECORD with the MP3 board too!
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/en/news/news.html?en


check the demos & manual here.

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Posted by: rikkisbears

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/12/07 12:53 AM

Hi,
actually haven't ordered the mp3 option with my PA800, but if I did, one use does spring to mind.
being a multiple keyboard owner, I think it could be handy recording backing tracks from the other keyboards as mp3's rather than midifiles. Would save having to tweak or revoice the midifile for playback in the pa800.
ie I have a ketron, trying to playback a midifile recorded on a ketron in a PA800 would sound pretty awful. Option would be to record that midifile as an mp3 & play it back as an mp3 in the PA. I could then play melody over the top using PA800 voices.

Saves having all 3 of my keyboards in the same place.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jedi:
[B]Hi Guy`s,
Posted by: jedi

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/12/07 07:37 AM

Hi Donny and Rikki ,

Thanks for for help and advice !

& the link !

So , this Pa800 , what other A/KB would you say is close.
I only mention this because I have never played one.
I know it`s going to beat the PSR`s atleast so far as build quality.

How does this match up against say a Tyros 2 .

Thanks again,
Gary
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/12/07 07:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jedi:
Hi Donny and Rikki ,

So , this Pa800 , what other A/KB would you say is close.
Thanks again,
Gary

http://www.korg.de/index.php?id=6725&popup=9692&no_cache=1
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/12/07 07:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jedi:
Hi Donny and Rikki ,


So , this Pa800 , what other A/KB would you say is close.
I only mention this because I have never played one.
I know it`s going to beat the PSR`s atleast so far as build quality.

How does this match up against say a Tyros 2 .Thanks again,
Gary
Posted by: jedi

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/12/07 08:53 AM

Donny, thanks for the link.

WOW , !

That was something , a keyboard strumming guitar sound.

I can`t speak German , but I got the basic idea , ( me thinks ).

So you can program the Pa800 to strum cords , i got that !!

Will it also be able to finger style play as well ?

That would really be cool.

Man , just think of doing "Stairway To Heaven" , the right way on an A/KB !

I know all the guitar parts , if that KB could be programed to play them , that could mean trouble for my bank account !! LOL

Thanks again for the link and your help.

I hate to ask so many questions , but I do appreciate , all the help you guy`s and gal`s provide !!

Later,
Gary
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/15/07 05:51 PM

Gary your very welcome......
try to check the PA800 ( OS1.51 ) out its a wonderful arranger for sure!



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Posted by: Uncle Dave

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/15/07 08:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jedi:
How does this match up against say a Tyros 2


No contest. The t2 is dead silent till someone schleps an amp into the scene. This is why I can't compare the Tyros to the PA800. "WITH speakers" is non negotiable for my needs.
Thanx for asking, though !
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 05:16 AM

Maybe Tyros3 will have onboard speakers & 76keys?
Posted by: ianmcnll

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 05:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Maybe Tyros3 will have onboard speakers & 76keys?


I doubt it Donny...why mess with success.
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 05:28 AM

so your saying theres no need for improvement on the T2?
Posted by: ianmcnll

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 05:41 AM

I didn't say that Donny...read my post carefully.

The T2 is successful with 61 keys and optional speakers...no reason why the T3 should be different.

There will be new features on the T3, but it would be pure speculation at this time as to what they will be.

My guess would be a lot more SA and mega voices and more polyphony...probably 256 like the current CVP-409.

76 keys on the T3...not going to happen...that's not a guess, it's a fact.

Ian

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Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 05:48 AM

or additionally what I've stated above... adding 16 bar looped styles & an MFD that saves Transpose also would be an improvement
Posted by: keysvocalssax

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 07:48 AM

sounds like Korg has really got it right lately. they slipped badly with the pa series which was a modernized but inferior version of their i-series of the late 90's. i still use my is-35, would not move "up" to the pa series because that was a move down, not up. i'm using the roland E60 now too for the 76 keys at 28.6 lbs. i would have liked to go korg paxpro76 but too heavy and the pa800 is a better 61-keyer than my is-35 but only slightly from a basic point of view..the stuff where it far outdoes the i-series is not the kind of stuff i need a lot. I hope Korg comes out with a lighter 76-key model. I'd prefer Korg's way to Yam or Roland.

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Miami Mo
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 08:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by keysvocalssax:
I hope
Korg comes out with a lighter 76-key model.
I'd prefer Korg's way to Yam or Roland.


http://www.korg.de/index.php?id=6725&popup=9692&no_cache=1

PA2X pro

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Posted by: jedi

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 08:24 AM

Thanks everyone , for your help !!

Gary
Posted by: keysvocalssax

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by Dnj: http://www.korg.de/index.php?id=6725&popup=9692&no_cache=1 PA2X pro [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-16-2007).]
thanks donny, but i'm just not a module kinda guy. rather wait to see next wave from Korg..meantime the arranger shortcomings of the E60 (see my post in Telmo's recent thread)are making me become a better player, taking advantage of the 76 and excellent keybed, using fewer sounds, using even the bass/drums more sparingly than before. it's nice to be semi-retired and only care about the music, not having to have any concern re providing backgrounds to please a broad spectrum of audiences. less= mo fo sho'

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Miami Mo
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/16/07 09:43 AM

[/b][/QUOTE]thanks donny, but i'm just not a module kinda guy.[/B][/QUOTE]

Module?
http://www.midifan.com/ihard/p/pa2xpro.jpg

http://www.midifan.com/ihard/p/pa2xpro2.jpg

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Posted by: keysvocalssax

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/17/07 10:45 AM

my mistake, dnj, i thought it looked like a module in your earlier link..i'm going to check this unit out, was totally unaware of it..thanks
Posted by: Dnj

Re: Donny & UD - how do you like... - 10/23/07 03:17 AM

Mo report back on your findings for us ok?