G-70 and Tyros2 comparison

Hi

Now that I own both keyboards, I have made a comparison with the same style. Which one sounds best???? 1. Tyros2 2. G-70.

Regards Niels

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Niels.....First of all thank you so much for the comparison test....I for one appreciate your efforts.
Secondly regarding the two as I hear them hear....Both sound very good in different way.... I immediately recognized the Tyros 2 version, Yamaha have a certain sound that I'm used to being I hear them everyday while playing....its sought of a compressed CD quality that I'm used to.....on the other hand as soon as the G70 version started I noticed a more "LIVE" sound all around especially the [Fiddle? & Percussion].....there is no clear cut winner here just a choice by the musician to make a choice by what you hear & whats better for your needs.

Thank You

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I like them both.

I don't think one is better than the other. They are different.
Of course as always it comes down to taste and some people will dissagree with me.

Eric

niels......please show us some more comparisons in different genres if possible when you can.......btw what are you personal opinions on both KB's!

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Ha, Donny you beat me on this one.
We wrote at the same time.

First impression;
Number 1 sounds like a cd
Number 2 sounds like a band in a hall.

So number 1 wins in terms of final mix.

The instruments on number 2 are completely different panned and needs different settings and effects to get a good mix.
f.i. on number 2 there's too much reverb on the violin.

The basic sounds of the individual instruments on number 2, are better, so I think with a little bit tweaking, also number 2 could sound terrific.
Special the piano and the violin!

I don't own a tryos II or a roland G-70, but I did demo them both, and surprisingly what I noticed that time, is still very well audible in your demo

Did you leave the roland as it was out of the box Neils???

Fred

Note:
Thanks for the demo, Niels

These are both very good but also different. I think I agree with the general consensus to this point that the T2 version sounds a little more polished and that the G70 sounds a little looser and more like a band.
For me though, polished isn't necessarily better.

Specifically, I like the bass and drums a bit better on the G70, and the lead instruments a little better on the T2. No surprise at all for me, as I've pretty much always felt this way about Yamaha arrangers and Keys.

This doesn't make my choice any easier guys. I think in the end both boards are gonna sound very good to me when I A/B them next week, and if so, for me it will likely come down to ergonomics / user interface, Vocal harmonizers, SMF playback, and physical feel of the keys.

AJ

Hi

Here is a new one. Same dixi style.

Regards
Niels

Though I could tell right away which one came from Tyros2 , I agree that both G70 & Tyros versions sound impressive, just different.

I assume this to be the SAME midi file played back on Tyros2, and then G70, correct?

Curious which keyboard the original midi file was created on, and if recorded in auto accomp mode, which (preset?) STYLE was used.

Unfortunately, this test doesn't compare the sound of each keyboard's respective auto accomp STYLE when playing the same style genre in auto accomp arranger mode, so I'd love to hear the same song performed in auto accomp ARRANGER mode (utilizing the same similar auto accomp style from each respective keyboard). - Scott

Hi scott

The test is played with styles made for the Tyros and for the G-70.

Regards
Niels

The biggest difference I hear this time is in EQ settings between the two boards. I'm assuming cut #1 is the T2 ? For hahas, I boosted the low end and lower midrange and cut the high end and hi midrange on the first part, and did the reverse for the second part, and they came up sounding a lot more alike.

As they were though originally, I preferred the first part better than the second. I would assume ( or hope ) that the master EQ settings are easily adjustable on the G70 ( as I'm quite sure they are on the T2 _). One of my chief complaints with the PA80 is a lack of a "Master" DSP engine.

AJ

Hi AJ

The first part in the test nr.2 is the G-70.

Regards
Niels

So am I to assume that you recorded the song utilizing the Tyros2 STYLE on the Tyros2 midi sequencer, and the song utilizing the G70 STYLE on the G70's built in midi sequencer, then played the resultant midi file in each one of the keyboards?

Which STYLE & which keyboard (G70/Tyros2) were each of your two songs originally recorded on?

Thanks.

Scott

Hi Scott

The styles are from the danish company MidiSpot. The Tyros version is played in acc. mode with the style made for the Tyros and the G-70 played with the G-70 version of the style.

Niels

Niels: Thanks for your clarification. Btw, really look forward to another song contribution from you. I've always enjoyed your music & vocals, no matter WHICH keyboard (G70 or Tyros2) you choose to perform it on, and of which proves the point, that it's the 'artistry' of the musician, not which keyboard, which is paramount.

Scott

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On demo 2 the first one G70 sounds much better to me especially the Drums...compared to the second T2 demo which sounded dead to me for some reason...
as stated I just go by my ears....I just want to know what everyone was talking about in earlier G70 reviews regarding saturated reverb in styles in V2? as etc....
I'm still gonna try a G70 & E-80 asap....
I wanna make Fran happy & maybe myself & who knows?



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Cool, thanks for the comparison. I agree with others that they are "both" good. The Yamaha version is easy to pick out because of the drums

I agree that the Yamaha version is a bit more polished, but the G-70 version sounds more "live", and in your face.

It all falls downt to user preference though. Some like the feel of the CD perfection of the T2, and some like the more loose feel of the G-70. Me pesonally I liked the G-70's version better. I'll take a more live sound any day, but hey that's me.

Squeak

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Thanks Niels

I'm happy yet disappointed all at the same time. I kinda want the T2 to win out because I've had several Yamaha arrangers before and I am very comfortable with their Operating systems and there is good user based support. I also like many of their lead instrument sounds.

OTOH, the G70 is beginning to pull at least even in the race ( for me guys.. ) because of the extra keys, the key feel, and the fact that I think both have excellent sounds, but I still hear those ever familiar Yamaha drum and bass sounds that I never really cared all that much for. It also doesn't hurt that my local store has a very good price on the G70.

I'm confident enough that both boards will sound very good, especially when compared to my PA80. Now it comes down to side by side play, and how these boards interact with me, the player. I also realize that I'm kinda different than some other members here, because one of my favorite things ( still )about the PA80 is the layout and interface, while the majority here seemed to strongly dislike it vs comparable Yamaha's in that regard.

Thanks much for the demos Niels

AJ

Not sure what Master EQ & compressor settings Neils used on his Tyros2, but I found setting this differently than the Yamaha factory default settings, plus increasing the drum & bass track volume & increasing reverb/chorus will dramatically enhance the dynamic realism & punch of Tyros2's sound further. - Scott

I see thru these posts opinions & comparisons that the T2 & G70 are getting closer & closer....I would also assume that maybe the E80 will be an even closer match don't you think judging by the demos?....................>>>

AJ.....dont worry about what your reading here they are just opinions...your choice will be just that "YOUR CHOICE" for "YOUR" needs and likes...you make valid points....Go play them both thru a good sound system at performance volume in the store and make a sensible decision...also see if you can get a 10+ day trial return period through the store just in case you change your mind also aftyer you get home and really put it through its paces "YOUR WAY"..

Good Luck

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did you make any adjustments to either file before you recorded them neilsh or was it simply an untweaked test ?

Both were good, but I have to say that in both instances Number 1 sounded more like a real band. (I am comparing the styles with real bands and instruments, which we get regularly down here in the English Riviera)
Keep up the good work.

Bill

There are a lot of options when converting a style from one board to another that it is truly impossible to use this sort of test for a true assessment of keyboard sound quality.
Firstly which manufacture did the original style come from. If it was converted with EMC then all volumes, Reverb\DSP & Panning are not converted and set to default, so the style would have to be tweaked to sound acceptable differently for the Tyros & G70.
This is interesting but no ground basis to make a judgement.

Hi Graham

The styles used in the comparison is made for the tyros and for the G-70. There has not been any converting of styles.

Regards
Niels

nielshs. Are you saying there is an identical Factory inbuilt style on the Tyros & the same Factory inbuilt style on G70 because this is not possibly that the two manufacturers have the same identical style.

The only way both can have the same style is when a style has been convert for both board which brings us back to my previous statement.

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Im saying that the G-70 styles is from the MidiSpot bonuspack, made for the G-70. The Tyros styles is also from MidiSpot and made for the Tyros.

Regards Niels

OK. Now we are on the same page and I understand. I had to query it because in your initial opening statement you did not give this information.
So which board was No1 & which was No2 ?

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The first comparison: 1. Tyros2 2. G-70

The second comparison: 1. G-70 2. Tyros2

ok ladies and Gents,

Now lets hear some comparisons using Guitars... electric / acoustic...and how about some strings??

Tyros 2 vs anything else out there??

Anyone got anything to share?

They both sounded really good.

Is it my imagination or do the instruments sound more defined in the mix on the Tyros than on the G70. I couldn't quite make out the background honky tonk piano/rhodes on the G70, but they clearly stand out on the Tyros as do all the instruments. I also liked the violin on the T2 better than the G70. It sounded more expressive.

One thing is for sure, I MUST go play a G70 now.

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Al Giordano
www.al-giordano.com

Tyros 2, Yamaha P-250, Korg Triton Extreme 76, Roland VK8-M, DW Collectors Series Drums

MidiSpot have been producing fine styles for Tyros and Roland for quite a while, so what you are hearing here is a good style developers attempt at making the same style sound as good as it can on both instruments........ However, they have been developing for Tyros a lot longer than G70 (obviously), and yet I still prefer the G70 version - a lot more 'live'

FINALLY, a little real world A/B-ing.........


BTW, the drums on the Roland version of the country style are NOT the V-Drum kits, and IMHO, this style could be made to sound even better with a simple Makeup Tools adjustment.......

so was there any tweaking done yes or no ?

And what happened to the pedal steel on the country Tyros2 version?


I'll tell you one thing, though........ I guarantee you can tweak and store the G70 version faster. ALL styles are a matter of taste, one person wants to hear the piano well, another wants the fiddle, somebody else wants a deeper, more reverb-y snare drum. If and when you finally get a chance to compare G70 and Tyros2 side by side, spend a little time trying to tweak a style (not just adjust volumes, but make changes WITHIN the drumkit - not just a different kit - change sounds AND dynamics and effects, etc.) and see how long it takes you.........

The faster it is, the more likely you are to actually do it! Out-of-the-box is one thing, but efficient tools to customize what you want are what will make your arranger YOUR arranger..........

nielshs
i'd love to hear more a/b comparision mp3s.
i think that was finally a real way to hear and compare this two instruments side by side.
great work!

Just remember, all you are hearing is one style developer's idea of how a style he created for the Tyros translates to the G70.

Pretty well. I'd say............

And I bet he didn't use much more than the Makeup Tools.......

For me, clearly, the Tyros2 wins for this recording. Mute the lead voice and replace it with a real fiddler and it would be a really good recording! The various voices were much clearer for the Tyros2.



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Bill
Yamaha PSR2000

#1 wins because the drums are too up front on #2. So, it's a bit unfair to #2. But I figure #1 would still win for my ears.

Thanks Niels for doing this, it's pretty cool.



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Bill
Yamaha PSR2000

They both sound really good.... Ah heck.. maybe I'll just buy 'em both... ( glad my wife can't see this post ).

AJ

Lol

If Yamaha made a Tyros module, I'd buy one in a flash.......

Unfortunately, not even Yamaha's top of the line Motif modules (and keyboards) have any of the SA technology, yet. Perhaps if the next generation Motif adds this, I'll be getting one.......

I'd buy a Tyros, PSR3000 or a Korg PA1X module.

to me, t2 sounds are pretty dry, no much of ambient reverb, they are clear and well defined. g70 on the other hand sounds more as a band, like it was said, and maybe the leveling was not the best.also, more effects an each instrument. anyway, me personally prefer the way g70 handles this styles.
and also something else. i thought the tyros' drum set in the second song was not quite right one.
i'd be curious how a funk/soul style would sound on both of the instruments. especially drum kit.
so, niels, some more g70/t2 comparision?

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