Are "Tune1000/midi-Disk`s/ W-lyrics" the same as .kar

Hi Everyone,
Are Midi disk`s that you buy better than what you can get off the web? And are the one with "lyrics "they the same as .kar files?
Thank you for your help
jedi

.kar files are midi files *without* the melody track. Both kinds can include syncronized lyrics.

Commercial midi/kar files generally have good quality, but some midi file sellers make more sophisticated orchestrations than others. The quality of the files that can be found on the the web is much less homogeneous. There are very basic ones, but some have a quality comparable to commercial ones.

-- José.

[This message has been edited by matias (edited 04-22-2002).]

"Tune1000" is just a company name, and although they include lyrics in their sequences, they are NOT ".kar" files.
I guess it's easy to confuse the two, but t1000's are all ".mid" extentions.
They are very good sequences, BTW.

GNMidi can convert .mid to .kar and vice versa. It also does a lot of other neat things. You can check it out for free. Gunter Nagler has the program. www.gnmidi.com
DonM

Hi matias&Uncle Dave,
Thanks for your info So the "commercially avalible" GM midi disk`s have better sound that the "free-stuff"?

Hi DonM,
Thanks for the link, but I have a "Mac" However, I found a site last night, http://www.koolpages.com/karaoke/ , that has a bunch of downloadable files that are in ".mid" format but if you want to see the lyrics all you have to do is change the.mid extension to .kar and youv`e got lyrics that you can use with Apples "Quick Time Player"
Thanks again for all your help
jedi

PS: If any of you would like "Quick Time" for "Windows" the link is:> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

I use midi files; homebrew, commercial; net downloads (including converted .kar files).

"Quality" in all cases is very subjective and whilst the commercial ones (especially of older material thats not been rushed out) tends to be more usable "out of the box" the standard is variable from all sources and I always end up tweaking to a greater or lesser extent.

Even from commercial disks it is sometimes hard to work out what arrangement of the original tune was used as source for the midi transcription! Lets not forget that printed sheet music can be amazingly inaccurate. Sometimes worse - I remember when Diana Ross did "Why Do Fools Fall In Love", which differs obviously from the "Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers" version in a few places. Not to the music publishers however; what they published was the older arrangement with DR's picture on the front!

[This message has been edited by MacAllcock (edited 04-21-2002).]

Hi MacAllcock,
Thank you for your in-put, I guess what I`m trying to find out is, are there "commercially" avalible disk`s that are very close to the original, but with the vocal track removed.
jedi

Jedi, the answer to your last question is yes.I literaly have thousands of standard midi files with lyrics embedded in the file and harmony tracks[ to harmonize with your voice via vocalizer hardware].. You can easily remove or mute the lead channel usually channel 4 or 16...Tune 1000 sequences are among the best[especially for lyrics], Tryco are good and Hands on music are excellent, to name a few..

Hi Fran,
Thank you for your responce there are a few that I would like to get (tune1000) but I wasn`t sure if I would be wasting my money. There are a bunch to be found on-line, but I have found them to be "ok" at best. I`m looking for some that are as close as possible to the original songs. Some that I have found on-line are good others seem to "mess-up" my 2000 so bad that I have to do a system re-set on the KB to get it back to the way it was before I inserted the disk
jedi

you can use almost any PC sequence program to edit out the lyrics/melody line very quckly.

Hi MacAllcock,
I have a "Macintosh", so there isn`t much out there for software and what is avalible is very limited, Thanks anyway !!!
I suppose I could try a "pc-emulator" program But I wanted to "hold-off" until I up-graded to "OS-X" and that wont happen for a while have to wait and see what happens at "MacWorld" in July. From what I here , now that they have there new iMac, OS-X and G5 should be top-billing!!
Like all computers just when you thought it was safe to "boot-up" they change things, hahahaha!!!!!
jedi

The "Mac" was the original music computer.. so surely some of our friends can come up with something...

Hi MacAllcock,
Your right, when I had a "PC" (pre windows), If you wanted to do anything at all with music you had to have a "Mac" now it`s all "Windows". I think it`s because as "PC" users grew they wanted what "Mac-users" had and "software&hardware" makers listened. I think in time "Mac`s-&-Music" will be back at a price thats resonable. Scott had refered me to "Digital Performer", very good and very $$$ also there is "Sibelius" a very good notation program but also $$$ so there is software out there but to spend that much for, at least right now, is not in the cards. If I had a really nice KB then "ya-what -the -heck" I`d go-for-it but right now my only midi KB is my 2000
But that too will change,in time!!!!
Then I`ll probably buy both
"Put`n up with the 2000"
jedi

hello

for the mac you may want to look at "melody-assistant" or its big brother "harmony-assistant" available: http://www.myriad-online.com/enindex.htm

it will allow you to make conversions from midi files with lyrics to .kar which is midi with text. of course will do .kar (midi-text) to .mid/w lyrics. thay are almost the same but some software wont take one or the other, but the psr-2000 reads both.

you can find good links to files on my web page (in my profile) but last time i posted my website it got erased.

Simon

Hi Simon,
I`ll check it-out, thank you for the link
and thank you for your help!!
jedi