Audya harddrive backup

Hi everyone. I apologize if this has been question has been answered before.
I now have my Audya set up exactly as I want and I would like to know if it as possible to make a complete exact backup of the Audya's internal drive on to another hard drive, so if the Audyas suffered a hard drive failure,I could simply replace the drive with the clone.
If this is possible,I would appreciate any information on how to do it. Thank you.

open back cover of audya
unmount hdd
connect hdd to pc via ide usb converter
choose show hidden and protected system files from folder options
copy files to pc or other hdd

Thank you necdetdoni.Can I please ask,is it an IDE 2.5" hard drive in the Audya and do I need to do anything with the new drive (format or put some operating programme) before I start copying.If I copy all the files across,will the backup drive then work exactly the same as the original drive if put into the Audya ?

Hi my friend,

Yours is a very good idea. Just keep in mind your Audya will not work with a exact cloned HDD. Somehow the serial no. of your Audya and your HDD is referenced somewhere on your existing HDD and no one will tell you how to fix that. Also, some stuff definitely gets stored on your sound board, even some copy protected styles.

Good to have the backup should you mess up some files though.

Cheers mate,

Henni

Hi.
Henni, this is not true.
I upgraded my Audya with an Ajamsonic ssd. Then messed up the connectors of it. Managed to fix it enough so that I could connect it to a pc. But didnt trust the soldering enough to use it in the audya for live use.
So I bought a new SSd disk and cloned the old one using a free clone software. Everything works great!
The only thing is that you have to format the new disk to fat 32. Ssd disks will only format to ntfs or xfat. So you have to software for that. I found it on google.
I can post what software to use later, if you want to know.

Stian

Thanks everyone for your help.Will any 80GB IDE 2.5" work ok in Audya.
I opened mine today to check and label on hard drive said not suitable for laptop computer.Do I need a different drive for this.
Also,can I just copy everything at once or do I have to copy individual folders in a special sequence.
I am sorry but I am not very experienced at this.

yes,80 gb ide 2.5 will work but you can change with a ssd hd via adaptor (i did)
you can copy everything at once..or you can take a disk image with a software (like acronis)

Stian what software did you use for this? thanks

http://www.todo-backup.com/products/home/free-backup-software.htm
Used this for cloning the disk. Connected both disks to my computer via USB and cloned away.
You dont have to think about folders. Everything will be identical on both disks.

Stian

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
I used this to format to FAT 32.

Stian

Hi my friend,

Sorry for the misinformation, for this is what AJ informed me. I speak from his mouth as I put this very same question to him awhile ago. Glad to hear that this is not the case as I would really like to make a full backup of my SSD also.

He also said some info is embedded on the SSD itself which cannot be cloned...

AJ, would you care to comment please?

Keep well all my friends,

Henni

Sorry guys,

Henni is correct !

The "serial-numer" of the keyboard doesn´t seem to be much relevant, it MUST BE the HDs serial number !

I did a sctor copy ( with "Acronis TrueImage" as well as with "file-zilla" ) of my original HD and restored it on a new HD.

MOST things work, but NOT THE COPY-PROTECTED STYLES as from the "Pen 2011 Update" or the "UK-Styles".

The same when I replaced my original HD with my SSD :

EVERYTHING BUT the 2011 and UK Updates worked fine.

The 2011 and UK-Pens are copy protected as well. If you used it in Audya once, there is no chance to use it again, even if it´s in the same keyboard with another HD!!!

Lucky who did a sector-copy of the stick(s) prior first use on Audya

@Stian : If you did a SECTOR copy there would be no need to format the new HD / SSD, because the restore would palce any bit exactly where it has to be.

MAYBE AJ found another solution... I ordered AJAMSONIC last week and I´m very corious

Edit : Henni was faster than me, so let´s wait and see ...

Henni.
Didn't mean it that way! You do a great job with this forum, so thanks.
I am just a newbie to Ketron who stumbeld over this because I broke my ssd.
Why didn't AJ say you could to this? Would you tell people how to copy your hard work?
This is business and he sells it. But AJ is a great guy who helped me a lot. He sent me a new connector for the ssd to.
I am just really happy for buying the Ajamsonic upgrade. It lifts the Audya to a different level I think.

Thanks
Stian

Snoopy.

I didnt try to sector copy at all. I just saw that my original ssd disk were formatted in fat32. So to be able to clone it I had to do the same format to my new disk. Or else it would not clone. I dont know what you mean when you say it dont work. I use it every day

Stian

Hi Stian,

when running the Audya with the "copied disk" :

ALL ( copy protected ) styles of the Ketron 2011 Pen Update ( starting with a blue dot ) are displayed as "Corrupted file" and are not useable ! The same with styles from the "UK-Stick".

Replacing it by the original one everything is fine again.

MABE it depends on the keyboard itself ( I´m using an Audya 5 built in 2010 ) or, as I assume, on the AJAMSONIC Update

Ok. I havent used those usb pens. So maybe there is something with those.
But have you tried to clone the disk, instead of copying it?

Stian.

Hi Stian,

yes, I cloned it, first with "Acronis True Image" and second with "filz-zilla", with the mentioned results.

You didn´t have the pens installed ?

Well, that´s the explanation why your "clone-disk" is working

If you ( buy and ) install it now, AFTER the hd / ssd change they will work.

But if you do a clone / copy after installation and restore it onto a new hd / ssd they won´t work.

Snoopy has answered accurately, which falls along Hennie's original answer (not all styles will work) ... however do note that if you did not purchase any of the additional USB or AJAMSONIC, and you simply COPY your original Hard Drive to another HD/SSD for a back up, the original factory styles and older sounds will all work on both Hard Drives.

If you did make a clone of your HD after installing the "paid for" upgrades, your AUDYA will still work (as it came from the factory) ... just not with all the styles you purchased that were 'locked'!

Hope this explains it better.

Thanks,

AJ

Can I assume that you will provide support for the paid for upgrade in the case of an HDD failure?

Bernie

Bernie,

Whichever dealer that provides these upgrades to customers should be able and willing to provide support to their customers for these in the event of drive failures (caused by normal usage of the equipment). We are already doing so for ours.

It is sad though that these upgrades can't just be produced without 'anti' copy mechanisms ... but in today's market, had this not been done, companies would sell just a hand full, and everyone would have them (as has been proven in the past) and that leaves very little (if any) resources to produce even more!

Since you sold me the upgrade, I am in good hands then. Thanks AJ

:-)

I would like to thank everybody who took time to help me.
Today I wanted to clone the hard drive of my Ketron SD1 (before I tried the Audya hard drive.)
I have connected the SD1 and an empty fat32 formatted drives to my computer with usb adapters
The computer will recognize the empty drive but not the SD1 drive.In disk management is shows unknown Not Initialized 5.59 Unallocated and says you must initialize it to continue.
It is not showing in Acronis True Image either.
I see in google that if you initialise a hard disk,you loose all the information.Does anyone know how I can proceed to make a backup. I certainly don't want to wipe the SD1 disk.
Thank you.

Hi,

download "filezilla" ( or "Clonezilla" ), google helps you to find it, ( it´s an ".iso" file you have to burn onto a cd ) and run the pc with this CD.

In filezilla / clonezilla from the new created cd and choose "clone disk" ( or "track by track" ) [I don´t know the ecactly terms because I´m not at home at the moment... ).

It´s an "text based" software but that should work ( normally the "default" is a good choice).

To prevent you from data-loss of your existing ( windows ) hds : Disconnect them prior starting the pc from cd ( if necessary open your pc case and unplug the power-cable of the hd ! )

Or try to boot acronis from a "rescue media" ( you can create it in the "advanced" tab of TI ).

Maybe "AcronisDiscDirector" is able to copy your hd...

good luck !

Thank you Snoopy. I downloaded FileZilla but I cannot get it to recognize the SD1 disk either. (The same result as with Acronis).
Today I tried Drive Image and this programme showed the SD1 disk as Unallocated and seemed to copy it to the other external backup hard disk ok and when finished,it showed the same as the original SD1 disk (Unallocated)but when I tried the cloned disk into the SD1 keyboard,it wouldn't recognise it.Message in keyboard said disk not formatted.
I tried to format it in the keyboard but it would only go to 11% and showed error message.(the disk I am trying to use as a backup is working 100%)