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#293971 - 09/21/10 04:16 PM Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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... with their FLAGSHIP Keyboard only?

Ketron (SD1 - SD1Plus - AUDYA)?

Korg (Pa800/Pa1XPro - Pa2XPro)?

Roland (G1000 - G70 - G70V2/E80)?

Yamaha (Tyros - Tyros 2 - Tyros 3 - Tyros 4)?

Please keep your answers to the above keyboards ONLY. Another thread addresses which company has made great leaps forward in the Arranger world in general, but this one addresses the above keyboards ONLY!!
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#293972 - 09/21/10 04:18 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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aj you have mail

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#293973 - 09/21/10 05:00 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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Ahh, misunderstood..thought it was any, but it seems arrangers only. In that case I withdraw my MS comment



[This message has been edited by miden (edited 09-21-2010).]

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#293974 - 09/21/10 05:06 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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None of them... Baby steps, all the way.

Perhaps if you had included previous TOTL models to those lists, there might have been more to work with (BTW, you forgot the VA76 between the G1000 and the G70), but all of those are just incremental increases, IMO. Plus, they don't all follow the same timeline (G1000 precedes them ALL).

OK, OK, I guess if you HAVE to pick one, I'd say Yamaha. SA is a completely new technology to arrangers. SD1 had audio loops, Audya has audio loops, PA2Xpro didn't get DNC until an upgrade, and has no samples to leverage it... The timeline is longest in Roland's case, and the G70 v3 (forgot that update? ) is, IMO a FAR more significant change in overall SOUND than the others, but it took longer, so no cigar...

But using the word 'leap' is a bit of a stretch for most of these, I fear...
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#293975 - 09/21/10 05:21 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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Definitely none of the manufacturers you mentioned. Its apparent there are two manufacturers missing from your list, both who offer open ended technology and who have continually upgraded their systems. Many of those upgrades were free as well.

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#293976 - 09/21/10 05:27 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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However, BOTH their sales are so minuscule in comparison, they hardly bear comparison with this list. If you want to compare basic, untweaked sound OOTB, both of them also have difficulty competing with arrangers at the START of AJ's list, let alone those on the end

AJ provided a thread where the list was open (and I made my opinion there in favor of the open arrangers), but this thread is obviously about mainstream, widely available arrangers designed for the vast majority of arranger users, that is, those that want it to sound great WITHOUT working for months to sound as good as a BOTL arranger, let alone a TOTL...
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#293977 - 09/21/10 05:32 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ensnareyou:
Definitely none of the manufacturers you mentioned. Its apparent there are two manufacturers missing from your list, both who offer open ended technology and who have continually upgraded their systems. Many of those upgrades were free as well.


But the minute anyone heard their demos .....it was a dead deal and wouldn't continue to pursue a purchase....how many people own one of teh two open-ended units vs an arranger workstation?

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#293978 - 09/21/10 05:32 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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Everyone knows the answer to this. Only Ketron have pushed forward and introduced anything that feels worthy of the 21st century. The rest are recycling 80s technology, een if they are doing it well.

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#293979 - 09/21/10 05:42 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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20th century technology has some distinct advantages over the audio stuff. If it is done well, it's hard to tell from audio (take a listen to any BFD or EZDrummer demo), and still retains FULL editing capabilities. For every advantage that loops give, there are two pretty bad disadvantages.
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#293980 - 09/21/10 07:43 PM Re: Which company in YOUR opinoion (and why) has made the greatest LEAP forward?
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If you go with previous models defenetely Korg I30 but for the rest maybe Audya with Loops and
also PA800 and on with the Guitar Mode and few other things.
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