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#7374 - 03/17/02 12:00 PM I'm feeling deep people...
stillme Offline
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I was just sitting here thinking, which I probably do too much of...and I was wondering how many people in a general group believe in God. Then I was wondering, if so...what is their interpretation of God. I was thinking, people sing about so much stuff, mostly love or something that they went through in their life...you just don't hear anything hardly about God on a radio station...at least where I'm from you don't. I was wondering why God and religion is such a taboo on most radio stations..but hate, sex, violence, broken hearts, all that kind of stuff, isn't. It's like people are afraid of it or something. People don't want to hear it. Well, what do you think? I warned you this was deep.

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#7375 - 03/17/02 06:18 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Originally posted by stillme:
you just don't hear anything hardly about God on a radio station...at least where I'm from you don't. I was wondering why God and religion is such a taboo on most radio stations..but hate, sex, violence, broken hearts, all that kind of stuff, isn't.


You just asked a very complex question, which I can only touch up on. The unabridged answer to your question can easily take up a book. Here we go, and I might add, you asked for it.

I blame it mostly on the media and large corporations. Ever since the late 60s and early 70s, both of these elements have been working diligently to divide and therefore weaken this nation on many issues. It used to be just plain old right and wrong. You dont hear that anymore. Now you hear Liberal/Conservative, Pro-choice/Pro-life, whats politically correct and what is not and so on.

Its been the media of news and entertainment that has been behind the whole new twisted definition on freedom of religion. Any person in their right mind understands that displaying a cross or a banner that says "In God We Trust" is not an infringement upon anyones personal relgious beliefs as long as no one is forcing you by law to participate, but the media has twisted it all for everyone to believe that if you put a cross in your dormroom, you may be "offending" your roommate who is an athiest. A person who gets offended easily by a piece of wood on the wall just doesnt have respect for your beliefs. Many just play the "victim" role to gain sympathy. It also can serve as a great powertrip to force someone to stop doing something that is of major importance to their spirituality. Lets be honest, when was the last time you felt offended because you saw a buddhist statue?

Religion is one of the glues that builds strong family character and creates a bond that is virtually unbreakable. It is also what keeps a nation strong. Take religion along with family values away and look what you have. You have exactly what we have now. I sincerely believe that this is what big business wanted to break down these barriers to create lemming consumerist zombies. And as you can see, that is what the general masses of America are today. We dont care about going to church on Sunday or spending quality time with the family. We just want to make sure that the credit card is still active so we can get the big tvs and the car stereos and so on. Admit it, this is what America has become.

I know many of you are going to get pissed at what I am about to say, but it is clear that the hippie generation inspired by and in collaboration with the television media was the spark that has created irreversable damage to America that will take generations to fix. Before that entire era, there was a low crime rate, family values were at an all time high, people were friendlier and communities were strong. For a clear understanding to what the hippie movement was all about, read a book called "DO IT". I had to read it in highschool. The book really is a piece of filth.

The hippie movement introduced selfish acts such as drug experimentation, an abandon of values and religion,replacing it with New Age propaganda, an abandon of family structure, replaced with free love and guilt free thoughts and "individualism"(really everyone acted the same). "ME NUMERO UNO" car stickers and pins were a big seller. It was the beginning of every man for himself and screw everyone else.

Today, everyone is a victim. Everyone is an "individual". There is no "we" there is only "me". Now the reason why sex and violence have replaced religion is because we have been reduced to our basic primitive instincts. We are no longer civilized. Some people will tell you that we have progressed since 1960. Technology wise maybe, but as human beings, no.

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#7376 - 03/17/02 06:58 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Hi stillme,
I belive in God and Jesus and have accepted Him into my Life as my savior. In the world today there is much to be said about religion, does God exist is there a Jesus, well I think there must be. We are tested in many ways, but even that has many people confused. The word tested, as if we were put on trial, NO that is not what that means at all, we are tested for His love so that we know it is still there even when times are hard and we can`t belive some of the things that happen-happen. Take heart my friend when times are the hardest that is when HE is closest. Many people belive in many ways but no matter how you look at it, How can these frail carbon based bodies exist then be no more. There is a place that waits for us all and we will feel no more pain or loss or any of the things that make sad. We will be there in the spirit of God not these frail bodies but like in a way that we can not comprehend here on earth. I think of it like this, we are waiting for a train or boat and when we take that ride we will be going to the place where there is love and warmth and we won`t even remember the trip. To quote Dr. Peter Marshall "when we were chidren and fell asleep, and we woke only to find ourselves in our own bed, not knowing how we got there that is what it will be like" and that is the power and the love of God.
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#7377 - 03/17/02 08:51 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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I'm Catholic, so yeah, I have a deep belief in God and Jesus.

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#7378 - 03/18/02 02:06 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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actually here in the bay area there is a very inciteful program called "god talk" with bernie ward on KGO 810...
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#7379 - 03/18/02 05:16 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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You wanted an honest answer............
I'm 42 and still can't answer that question. I think I believe, but then something like 9/11 comes around and shakes my fragile "faith". I've always needed proof or personal experience to believe in ANYTHING. I admire people who have unconditional faith........It just has never happened to me. I have faith in mankind and have tried to help anyone I meet anyway I can.

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#7380 - 03/18/02 05:59 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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My answer is, Yes, I believe in God and have accepted Jesus as my Savior. I believe everyone has a talent given to them and that they should use that talent for His purposes. I think music is the most powerful language we have and that if we listen, we can communicate universally through music without regard to a spoken language. Admittedly my musical ability and knowledge is far below that of other forum members, but I try to do the best I can and keep on learning, and keep on trying. I have recieved assistance from forum members with styles and/or music they have arranged for their worship services. For that and any other assistance, I thank God. I guess the bottom line is, in my opinion, if you look, you can see God and if you listen, you can hear God.
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#7381 - 03/18/02 08:37 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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With all the bullsh*t going on in the world today, it can only strengthen my disbelief.
Let's say there's this all powerful, all knowing presence, checking things out. The middle east??? Ireland?? 9/11??? All done in the name of someone's God??
The explainations of "part of some major plan", or "working in mysterious ways" just doesn't cut it for me. But that's just my opinion.
I haven't lost faith in mankind, but personally I don't need a crutch to explain today's mentality, or lack of it. You asked....and I responded.
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#7382 - 03/18/02 08:42 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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...Believe in GOD ??? .... ABSOLUTELY ... and I feel there are more of us today that do believe in Him, and the power of prayer, but yet we are so hesitant to discuss it, or show any outward sign of our belief... We wear clothing advertising the designer, or some musical group or artist, or some sports figure, but how many of us would wear something that demonstrates our belief in God? ... while I may not share the beliefs of some groups, I admire their courage to dress a certain way so that people know of what sect or belief they are .... how many Christians would do the same thing??? ... for years I have talked to my children, nieces and nephews about how I feel that the sex and violence they allow themselves to be subject to in all sorts of entertainment, video games etc. has a de-sensitizing effect on society ... and now look how easily one person will take the life of another, or even many others, for their own reason or for no reason ... there are times when I can't help but draw the comparison of our world to the Great Roman Empire ...
Do beautiful things, make beautiful music, and PRAY !!!
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#7383 - 03/18/02 09:00 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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I'm just popping in here to answer the "why don't we all talk about god out in the open" question... I always thought it had to do with there being all different factions of Christianity, and no one really wants to listen to someone telling them their way of believing in the same thing is wrong. Why do we all roll our eyes at mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses? Because they knock on our doors with their extreme and outlandish forms of Christ worship.

When it comes to issues like religion in public schools, Catholics don't want Baptists teaching their kids, Baptists don't want Catholics teaching their kids, etc. etc. etc.

When my dad was a kid, he was Irish Catholic and went to a Catholic Parochial school. The way he tells it, it seems that the Catholic kids only hung around with other Catholic kids, and they'd often get in fights with the Luthern kids, who only hung out with other Luthern kids. As an atheist myself, I think it's great that this type of separation no longer exists in our society, even amongst childern. I am reminded of the way the Freemasons have a rule where one cannot discuss either religon or politics at a meeting, as they cause divisions amongst people. (yet i do believe that a belief in God is a requirement for joining the Freemasons.)

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#7384 - 03/18/02 11:52 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Allright people! Amen...everything here is everything I wanted to hear. Okay, my turn.
In my opinion, people that say they don't believe in God somehow still fear God. People use any excuse not to believe...they don't look at the larger picture. I've heard 9/11 a few times here, I knew that one would come up. I've also heard "if such a powerful being exists...how can bad things happen?" I know I'm going to sound cold to some, to tell you the truth..I have a hard time explaining it for some reason...I know how it feels, but can't explain it. I'll give it a shot.

9/11...I know many are angry at God for this. I know many have turned on him if they hadn't already. "How can you let this happen God?? Why?!?" Have you ever heard that there is a reason for everything? Every action creates a reaction. Thousands of people died, but look what it did for us. There are thousands of people out there that DID open their eyes and turn to God. There are thousands and millions of people that came together and freely gave their love and support to eachother. I saw many ordinary people opening themselves to others, where we were so closed off before. We're so afraid to show emotions of love and caring. Why? Because something in our heads stops us in everyday life, and that something is a voice telling us that strangers will think you're wierd or nuts or something, or that you'll drive people away rather than create friends and people that love you. It makes me cry when someone is free enough to hug a friend, or someone of the same sex even though they aren't gay. You saw that on 9/11 and in the many weeks after. Perhaps a few were sacrificed to save millions? That's something hard for a person directly affected by 9/11 because we as humans are selfish. I'm not saying that to be chastising or to blame, I'm saying that as a fact. We are. Even if we believe a person is going to go to heaven or be in a better place, do we still hurt when they're gone? Why? Because we miss them. We want them here with us, even though the world is filled with such pain and hardship, we would rather have them here in it with us. You can deny it if you want, but in general that's what it is. People get angry when someone young dies, or when there's an accident and someone is taken away from them. They are ignoring the fact that there IS a God and that the people that are gone are not here suffering with the rest of us anymore. Plus they miss that person, and it hurts, and they think they aren't going to see them ever again because they are scared or forget that they WILL see them again on the other side when it is THEIR time.
The terrorists God...is a pagan God. Don't forget that a God can be evil. There is an evil presence here in this world and there is a constant battle for our souls. The evil took those people away from us on 9/11, the evil thought that if they did that everyone would end up hating God for not saving them from the horrific act. And God did save the ones that were needed here still. But not all of us turned on God, it strengthened many. And this is the battle that ensues every day between good and evil. Evil wants to take over this world and make it its kingdom, and us its slaves.
It says in the bible that we are children. And if you really take a good look at it, we ARE children until we die. Children tend to be selfish until they grow to understand sharing and thoughtfulness. You recognize this if you ever watch a child growing up. There are very few people, if any, that totally don't think about themselves still. We grow into adults, but we are still selfish in many ways. We're quick to turn on God, quick to disown him if something doesn't go our way...unless we ARE listening to him.
People think God turns on us, when in fact it is US turning on HIM. He can't help us if we turn our back on him and won't listen. Then we're just fighting our way through life alone and ignoring the one person who will give us direction and comfort and strength. Have you ever felt lost? Have you ever felt like you didn't know what just happened or what was going on? Tell me, were you listening to God or ignoring him? Had it been days or weeks or months since you even thought about him?
People say they don't understand why he lets things happen. Well, in all actuality, it doesn't say anywhere that we were SUPPOSED to understand anything. HE understands it, He knows what it is for when something happens...we don't.
When people hurt, they don't want to think about these things. We want to wallow in our misery and pain, rather then makes sense of it. Because we're selfish. Or maybe because we NEED to wallow in it for one reason or another. Only He knows.

Chris, right on about religion being the glue that creates a bond and strengthens the family. I agree. But unfortunately there are people out there who just don't want to believe. It seems easier to them if they don't . It seems weak to them if they do believe. And all I have to say to them is, keep telling yourself that and I hope someday you'll realize the truth. Like a lyric in my brother's song, "you can run, but you can't hide. You can't escape, someone who sees you inside. He knows your name. He knows what's on your mind, and that won't change. Just because you closed your eyes...Ever notice how every time you've fallen you start thinking of him? Ever notice how it always seems to come back to Him again?"

I don't know why, but I felt the need to start this. I hope it helps someone out there (even if you do think I'm crazy)

Peace and God bless.

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#7385 - 03/18/02 12:09 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Why is it that every holy roller thinks that I am embarrassed by how I feel?? I am not embarrassed, ashamed or anything on MY feelings. I can't believe that some of my fellow musicians had to respond to me privately as not to embarrass me for stating my personal feelings. Why can't my feelings be just that? I didn't ask for a sermon by someone who's life clearly has more faith than my meager one! If our forum is to let everyone express their opinions then MAKE IT SO! I would never even consider giving religious advice to anyone unless I was something "Almighty"! I should have known that my honest response was an invitation to those who "pray" on others.

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#7386 - 03/18/02 12:12 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Add-on:

I feel the need to coment on what surrounds us in every day life. Evil (Satan, whatever you want to call it) knows to surround us every day with evil. It knows that the only way to take us over is to keep pecking away day after day, in any way possible. It won over most of the TV stations. It won over most of the radio stations. It is on all sides of us all the time. It tells us that trivial things are what's really important. It makes us care more about earthly things than our own spirits. Just like some of you said, it turns us into shallow people where in all actuality, nothing really matters. It desensitizes us with drugs and bad messages. It tries harder when we turn to God. Am I the only one who starts having terrible nightmares when I get closer to God? Or has bad things happen more often? Or have you ever felt really strong with God and have someone who isn't strong with him at all start messing with your mind? People get angry at this and say, "YEah, look what I get when I believe...bad stuff starts to happen. Why bother?" Well, the stronger you get with Him, the more you realize that the "bad" things aren't really as bad as you thought and they really don't matter.

I don't know about you, but I've had moments where I've strayed from God only to have him tap me on the shoulder and wake me up again, as if to say, "Uh...Tracey, I'm losing you. Turn back." So loving and gentle, and yet he can be so powerful too. It was an answer clear as day from Him. People say, "Why can't he just come in front of you and tell you in person?" Well, you must have missed that part in the bible where God said, "If you look straight at me, it will drive you insane" (hope I got that right, correct me if I'm wrong)...he can't. We, especially as we are these days, cannot handle something as powerful as that. And if we did experience that and tried to make others beleive, we'd practically get ridiculed to death or written off as insane. And our spirits are so effected by what others think of us, we would believe these people who think we're insane and God knows this, so he speaks to us in ways that we can handle. He "shows" rather than "talks". And he's shown me many a time.

Sorry to preach, guys. But then again, maybe I'm not really sorry.

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#7387 - 03/18/02 12:23 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Originally posted by rattley:
Why is it that every holy roller thinks that I am embarrassed by how I feel?? I am not embarrassed, ashamed or anything on MY feelings. I can't believe that some of my fellow musicians had to respond to me privately as not to embarrass me for stating my personal feelings. Why can't my feelings be just that? I didn't ask for a sermon by someone who's life clearly has more faith than my meager one! If our forum is to let everyone express their opinions then MAKE IT SO! I would never even consider giving religious advice to anyone unless I was something "Almighty"! I should have known that my honest response was an invitation to those who "pray" on others.



Why are you getting so angry? I didn't say you were embarrassed with how you feel. I totally understand how you feel. What's the anger all about? If you don't like the thread, don't read it. And you know what, people need to be "prayed" on. Maybe you don't feel you do, but there are people out there who won't ask for it but who'll take it when it is offered. Why is it that "non holy rollers' get so angry when people talk about God? And now you're angry that someone had the courtesy to email you seperate because they were thinking about your feelings?

I would never even consider giving religious advice to anyone unless I was something "Almighty"!

God sometimes speaks through us. And I was wondering when some anger would show up on this subject. IT was bound to happen, just like I said. Someone always gets angry...everytime, and they always feel like they're being forced to believe in God or that we're picking on them.

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#7388 - 03/18/02 02:24 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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There was a time when I would state "people who believe in god are too weak to believe in themselves". A majority of folks did not understand (and will never understand) what I was talking about. Most folks were simply offended, and generally got pissed off.

Most religious beliefs have great moral rules. Other than that, most of them are just great stories used to scare people into submission. I don't need a person to stand there and tell me the difference between right and wrong. Most folks know the difference between right and wrong.

As long as there as been written history, difference in religious beliefs have been (and always will be ) the main cause of war. There is a point when too much good becomes evil. Take this thread for example. Some folks are already angered for what another man believes, because he don't believe in the same thing as they. When each person can accept the differences of each other person, then there will be peace and harmony. Of course this will never happen.

Anyway what I've stated, I'm shure, will create a great deal of angered debate, so I'll stop here.
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#7389 - 03/18/02 02:27 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Stillme,

I just want to say one more thing. I first want to say that I have respect for anyones beliefs, including yours. But dont get your religion and politics mixed up. 9/11 was not "evil". Thats what GW Bush said and he is a bullshit artist. Please dont parrot that man by saying these things are "evil".

He knows why those two planes crashed into the WTC and our Pentagon. It is our policy in the Middle East that has caused that tragic event where 3,000 lost their lives. And the bigwig politicians know it. It just goes to show you how much our government cares about the lives of civilians. Religion did not inspire those people to hijack planes. That is media slants and propaganda. I dont care if its fashionable to believe otehrwise.

Thats all.

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#7390 - 03/18/02 04:04 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Chris Attison, I agree with you 100% on the Middle East policy. Religion had little if anyting to do with it other than masterminds using Religion to get people to carry out certain duties. Everything is on our foreign policy.

It must be changed and reviewed unless they want more of this to go on. Israel needs to get out of those 1967-related occupied territories, otherwise kiss peace goodbye.

Anyhow, while I do believe in God, I'm tired of these people who want to preach for days and then select which practices they will follow in the name of the lord. You either follow the religion 100% or you don't. I'm also tired of the belief that someone who doesn't believe in exactly what you don't believe in is evil or wrong.

Chris is right, the majority of all of History's wars were fought due to religion. Believe whatever the hell you want to believe and leave everyone else alone. Your relationship with god is personal. No need to force beliefs on others or judge ANYONE. Judging is left to the one above alone.

That said, if someone does not believe in God, leave them alone and worry about yourself.

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#7391 - 03/18/02 04:37 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Hello.......I too am sorry if my reply offended anyone. I just still can't figure out as to how anyone could be so presumptuious to think that I was asking for help. Nobody's ever come to my aid over a musical matter so quickly.........but mention religion...........WHEW!

This thread is a FIRECRACKER! Watch your fingers.......

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#7392 - 03/18/02 06:43 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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In the seventeenth century the Pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution only to be “burning people at the stake” for there religious beliefs. People have always cared what the other person is doing and to whom they pray to. Fear and ignorance, that is the trap that we should try to avoid.

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#7393 - 03/18/02 07:47 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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One second you're all smug and shit, then when the tide turns a little bit, you ask for mod help. LAME.

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#7394 - 03/18/02 09:00 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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#7395 - 03/18/02 09:00 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that he is the One true God in the flesh. While other religions talk about God and claim that they represent God, Christ came to this earth and walked among us. He demonstrated his deity through his birth, life, miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. If you read 1 Corinthians chapter 15, you will find that christianity is based on the historicity of the death and resurrecton of Christ. If Christ truly died and rose physically, that means all his claims and all his teachings are true. Otherwise, they are false.

If somebody is interested in further reading about this, I recommend a book, Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. Or Evidence the demands verdict by Josh McDowell. Or Reasonable Faith by William Craig Lane.

I understand this is a music forum, so I want to respect this. If anyone is interested in further discussion with me, please email me.

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#7396 - 03/18/02 09:45 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Hey Chris,
Not to change the subject, But, "ROF-LOL " that animation is great, I don`t suppose it has any to do with jedi`s? __LOL, again, well I think this thread needed that! Thanks
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#7397 - 03/18/02 09:53 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Nah, they arent lightsabers, but it would be cool if they came out with a version of darth and luke smilies doing something similar.

There are tons more of those animations at www.duhspot.com
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#7398 - 03/18/02 11:41 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Actually, I know I've seen some that have a Luke smiley face and a Darth Vader smiley face fighting... The Darth Vader one cuts the hand off the Luke one, then holds up a sign that says "Dad" and then the Luke one cries. Funny shit.

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#7399 - 03/19/02 08:09 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Hey Chris,
Cool site (takes long... to load-only dial-up here) are you a Mac user? If so what software do you use with your KB?
Thanks
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#7400 - 03/27/02 11:06 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Hey I don't know if you guys are changing the subject or what but I was reading this and WOW, I got scorched.

But I do have one thing to add. ABout all the 9-11 stuff and "if there's a God why did this happen" and "God works in mysterious ways".

Did it ever occur to anyone that not everything is God's fault? What if, in some situations, God isn't working mysteriously at all, it's just that some knucklehead decided to go screw things up? I know people are so used to thinking that God is in control, but after a while that turns into "God moving chess players around on a board", like we are just helpless little creatures that God is having a field day with.

I believe God is in control, but there is a balance. Even in the Bible, it clearly shows how God has given people a free will and many people have used their free will to screw up their own or someone else's life, AND IT WASN'T GOD'S FAULT at all.

Do you ever picture God, like I do, as banging his head against the wall because another idiot messed everything up again? "Okay, let's move on to plan W!"

So this is what I don't understand about atheists who use this as a reason to not believe in God (not that believing in God is the issue--the devil believes in God). They say that because bad things happen, God can't be real or he must be evil and just like to wreak havoc on the lives of his "chess pieces." I hope I clearly got across what I was trying to say.

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#7401 - 03/27/02 12:24 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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dm .... I think you expressed yourself quite well, and it can be summed up in two words "FREE WILL" ... God knows what He would LIKE for us to do, but has provided us with the knowledge of what is right or wrong and allows us to to make that decision ... I doubt that He is happy when we make the wrong one ( that's probably when He's looking to go to plan W !!!)
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#7402 - 03/28/02 12:22 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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EXACTLY!!!

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#7403 - 03/30/02 04:50 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Attison:
Nah, they arent lightsabers, but it would be cool if they came out with a version of darth and luke smilies doing something similar.

There are tons more of those animations at www.duhspot.com


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#7404 - 03/31/02 05:36 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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HAHAHA....Very nice Pierry..thanks.
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#7405 - 04/09/02 01:01 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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DesertMusician,
As Tom Hanks said in "the Green Mile"...'I almost believe that very thing'. Good point. I didn't mean to start this thread and then leave and never say another word...we've had some things going on around here and I haven't been able to get on the computer. I kind of had a Godly experience where he showed me something last week. I had two dreams last week that my mother-in-law died. They really kind of made me uneasy...I never dream about her. Then Saturday morning my husband woke me up and told me that his mother passed away that morning.

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#7406 - 04/09/02 04:50 PM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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The reason God is away from music in radio stations and elsewhere is because most of religious are very fanatic about how many times a catholic song as being played, compares to a buddist song, or a musilim or Jewish or whatever and viceversa. Radio stations, TV and mass media in general can be sued for religious discrimination if they don't programmed the same amount of religious music about each existen religions. Anyway I personally think that religious music shoul be played in Church or whatever you wanna call a place where a community of people of the same religin meet to worship them own " GOD " or Divinity and nowhere else! And plus I think that in this forum we should just talk about Gear and music related sobjects. At the end I just want to remember to all of you that this is " Synth Zone BBS " and I believe that there is no god or divinity that I know calld in this way.

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#7407 - 04/14/02 09:53 AM Re: I'm feeling deep people...
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I was just sitting here thinking, which I probably do too much of...and I was wondering how many people >>>IN A GENERAL GROUP<<< believe in God.

Sorry. Didn't mean to make you uncomfortable. But like I said up there...

-Tracey

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