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#506815 - 10/14/22 07:42 PM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Tonewheeldude Offline
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this old and tired myth that Ketron arrangers can't handle complex chords has been beaten out by one or two people here since before my 12 year old granddaughter was born 😅😂🤣😆

The two sets of posts where the Audya was demonstrated playing complex chords seamlessly were the only ones Diki has ever been quiet on 😂- he must have been on vacation at that time😜. For all of us that listened to them, the subject was put to bed whilst we were still watching Space Shuttle landings.

I find it incredible that on the strength of a couple of short demos of a product not even released, there can be a substantial dossier on its imaginary shortfalls.

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#506817 - 10/15/22 01:25 AM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Everybody has their preferences so trying to convince someone that they should prefer something else (Because somebody else believes something else is better) is futile. (Each to his own)
Unfortunately due to the pandemic the UK Ketron dealer is no more (Which means Bohm has also gone) as it was apparently no longer viable to keep, so I guess the UK will never be able to get live demos, and will have to rely on YouTube demos. (Unfortunately with the demos so far, the Event doesn’t give me the WOW! Factor that previous Ketrons did, but as it’s not out yet we will have to wait and see)

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#506819 - 10/15/22 12:50 PM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: abacus]
Tonewheeldude Offline
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Originally Posted By abacus

Unfortunately due to the pandemic the UK Ketron dealer is no more (Which means Bohm has also gone) as it was apparently no longer viable to keep, so I guess the UK will never be able to get live demos, and will have to rely on YouTube demos.


This was a great loss indeed Bill. Trevor Brown has been a well-loved and trusted dealer since the 1980s and I know he really misses the shop too. Musicworld was always his hobby which is why he was well past retirement age, and he was never motivated by the financial aspects of the business. Hopefully Ketron UK will come up with some way of overcoming this. Certainly, Ketron instruments need more than a picture and a buy button on a website.

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#506820 - 10/16/22 11:30 AM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Tonewheeldude]
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Loc: NW Florida
Originally Posted By Tonewheeldude
this old and tired myth that Ketron arrangers can't handle complex chords has been beaten out by one or two people here since before my 12 year old granddaughter was born 😅😂🤣😆

The two sets of posts where the Audya was demonstrated playing complex chords seamlessly were the only ones Diki has ever been quiet on 😂- he must have been on vacation at that time😜. For all of us that listened to them, the subject was put to bed whilst we were still watching Space Shuttle landings.

I find it incredible that on the strength of a couple of short demos of a product not even released, there can be a substantial dossier on its imaginary shortfalls.


Guess you didn’t read the previous post. Too long? Plus, one more time… NO ONE IS SAYING KETRON’S CAN’T HANDLE COMPLEX CHORDS. Just that they can’t do them indistinguishably from the recorded loops.

TLDR: I remember the shootout, and the solutions were EXACTLY as I described. Your definition of ‘seamlessly’ simply seems to be considerably looser than mine.
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#506824 - 10/17/22 08:17 AM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Wow, Nigel could say it better than anyone. Here, he defines the classic TROLL. See anything you recognize?

2. Act overly critical

You join a chat and your only contribution to the collective discourse is to criticize comments, opinions or people.
3. Argue ad nauseum

You continue to argue a point well beyond any educational value for you or the audience to the point where your comments are simply repetitive rhetoric.

5. Present opinions as facts

You fervently argue subjects in which you have no real experience or subject matter expertise, yet present your point of view as fact.

7. Reject conflicting points of view

You publicly and loudly reject any opinion or fact that is not owned or shared by you, regardless of its validity or interest to the local audience or community at large.

8. Fan the flames in order to �win�

You refuse to �agree to disagree�, choosing to continue to bait your audience with questions and comments that fuels a continuing argument. You have to �win� every discussion as if was a game and will continue to argue even if the discussion moves on to other topics.

11. Love to beat a dead horse

You introduce topics you love to hate-on even when no one else is discussing them or when it�s not part of the group�s discussion topic, simply to fuel your need to criticize.

Just sayin'

chas
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#506825 - 10/17/22 10:27 AM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Diki Offline


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Loc: NW Florida
Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Originally Posted By Diki
As always, with audio loop backing, I want to hear it deals with more than basic maj min and 7ths.

Where’s the 6/9’s? Where’s the augmented chords? Where’s the open 5’s? Where’s the half diminished? Where’s the 7#9’s?

For it to impress professionals, shouldn’t it be able to play more than basic chords?

And sorry, but we have moved WAY past sampled saxes that tongue every note. Articulated at a minimum, modeled for true ‘pro’ results.

I know these audio loop things impress when deliberately restricted to basic chords, but surely in these days of SSD’s and fast streaming, why can’t we have audio loops of more than three or four basic chords?


With the EVENT, you the user can now create your own Live Guitar and audio arrangements so the sky is the limit.

I am sure once it is released and you purchase one, you will be able to dig in deeper and experiment to the fullest with how it handles these other chord variants [Where’s the 6/9’s? Where’s the augmented chords? Where’s the open 5’s? Where’s the half diminished? Where’s the 7#9’s?] which if missing you can produce for your styles and taste of music. That is the beauty of this keyboard - the power is in the hands of the end user to create whatever they want.

why can’t we have audio loops of more than three or four basic chords?We can. You can have up to 1024 Audio Guitar chord wave-files per style assigned to a style so if what is provided isn't enough, you can add even more chord variations to the table.


This is the start of it all. Who’s trolling who?
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#506827 - 10/18/22 05:02 AM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Diki]
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Hummm...

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#506874 - 10/23/22 11:58 PM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Sokratis 1974 Offline
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Registered: 06/06/10
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Loc: Hellas, Creta, Iraklion
Hello.
So here's a proof that this time Ketron didn't limit himself to three basic chords with the rest supplemented by midi riffs (like Live Gtr) but has gone much further with the new Real Chord.




Edited by Sokratis 1974 (10/24/22 12:03 AM)
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#506879 - 10/24/22 01:21 PM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Diki]
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Originally Posted By Diki
As always, with audio loop backing, I want to hear it deals with more than basic maj min and 7ths.

Where’s the 6/9’s? Where’s the augmented chords? Where’s the open 5’s? Where’s the half diminished? Where’s the 7#9’s?

For it to impress professionals, shouldn’t it be able to play more than basic chords?

And sorry, but we have moved WAY past sampled saxes that tongue every note. Articulated at a minimum, modeled for true ‘pro’ results.

I know these audio loop things impress when deliberately restricted to basic chords, but surely in these days of SSD’s and fast streaming, why can’t we have audio loops of more than three or four basic chords?


Here you go - as requested:- https://youtu.be/9ARTaU3I4nE
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#506886 - 10/26/22 10:30 AM Re: The new KETRON EVENT Workstation ... it's coming. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14212
Loc: NW Florida
Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Originally Posted By Diki
As always, with audio loop backing, I want to hear it deals with more than basic maj min and 7ths.

Where’s the 6/9’s? Where’s the augmented chords? Where’s the open 5’s? Where’s the half diminished? Where’s the 7#9’s?

For it to impress professionals, shouldn’t it be able to play more than basic chords?

And sorry, but we have moved WAY past sampled saxes that tongue every note. Articulated at a minimum, modeled for true ‘pro’ results.

I know these audio loop things impress when deliberately restricted to basic chords, but surely in these days of SSD’s and fast streaming, why can’t we have audio loops of more than three or four basic chords?


Here you go - as requested:- https://youtu.be/9ARTaU3I4nE


Now, wouldn’t that have been easier than this whole brouhaha?

Now all we need is a list of what styles offer what chords, and you’ve answered my question.

By the way, nice sounding guitars, very well recorded.

As I said before, I’m not a Ketron hater. I’d just like an honest answer to an honest question.

If we’re being more open about things, is there any chance of hearing how the same chord types are dealt with by a style that DOESN’t have a full selection of loops for all those chords?
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