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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Folks,
You cannot use a User voice within a style or midifile ... and here is why.
Due to the design implementation of USER VOICES, you can have up to 3 individual voices/tracks which make up 1 USER VOICE. With the right hand/lead voice, you simply play and even though you 'see' this as a voice, it is actually 3 voices which are being played on 3 Midi tracks. Now the Arranger/Style has a maximum of 10 tracks it can use out of 16 and the Midifile engine has a maximum of 16 tracks.... if you edit a voice which uses 3 individual voices (let's say), then you will run out of tracks in either case when you want to use a bunch of USER VOICES within either a style or midifile. Just imagine you have 3 USER VOICES you want to use for Chord 1, Chord 2 and Chord 3 ... (that is already 3 X 3 = 9 tracks in voices ALONE ...) but the ARRAGNER has a max of 10 tracks... what/where do the other tracks go (Drums (2 tracks), Bass ... etc)? This is th problem which stems from the way we route the signal on KETRON products. To change it would require a hardware modification.
Hope this explains it better.
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you all!
AJ
So much was clear to me...
But it should be possible to edit the gm voices inside the Styles? Just dont see how?
Bachus
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Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Folks,
You cannot use a User voice within a style or midifile ... and here is why.
Due to the design implementation of USER VOICES, you can have up to 3 individual voices/tracks which make up 1 USER VOICE. With the right hand/lead voice, you simply play and even though you 'see' this as a voice, it is actually 3 voices which are being played on 3 Midi tracks. Now the Arranger/Style has a maximum of 10 tracks it can use out of 16 and the Midifile engine has a maximum of 16 tracks.... if you edit a voice which uses 3 individual voices (let's say), then you will run out of tracks in either case when you want to use a bunch of USER VOICES within either a style or midifile. Just imagine you have 3 USER VOICES you want to use for Chord 1, Chord 2 and Chord 3 ... (that is already 3 X 3 = 9 tracks in voices ALONE ...) but the ARRAGNER has a max of 10 tracks... what/where do the other tracks go (Drums (2 tracks), Bass ... etc)? This is th problem which stems from the way we route the signal on KETRON products. To change it would require a hardware modification.
Hope this explains it better.
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you all!
AJ
So much was clear to me...
But it should be possible to edit the gm voices inside the Styles? Just dont see how?
Can't be done due to hardware limitations.
Thats a game killer..
It really is, as thats one of the things i use to addapt styles from other brands..
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Bachus
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Originally Posted By DAN.2000
Maybe some cc messages can be added inside the style's track within the instrument or other pc tools?
Could be a work around..
But if this is possible, then it is offcourse not a hardware limitation, as AJ indicates, but a software limitation..
Also i been looking for a midi cc implementation list of the sd90, but is not easy to find, so far it seems not out there, all i have foun courtesy of Kurt is an sd40 sysex list..
Edited by Bachus (12/26/1804:47 AM)
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Close to the idea I was going to try which was to offload the style, rename to *.mid, open in Logic, change voice assignment from factory to a User Bank, save, rename back to *.kst and see if it would play. Based on AJ's comments - Might / Might not. I'll keep you posted.
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I have to correct my previous post. I did NOT use USER VOICES to replace voices within a style - I was replacing OTS voices with USER-VOICES. Sorry for the confusion.
Bachus
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Originally Posted By hammer
I have to correct my previous post. I did NOT use USER VOICES to replace voices within a style - I was replacing OTS voices with USER-VOICES. Sorry for the confusion.
Deane
Thank you Dean, for clearing that up.
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