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#463444 - 12/19/18 05:09 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: Bachus]
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Yes, you can edit voices and save as a "user" voice. There are six screens worth of parameters you can mess with. To access simply touch and hold the voice you want to edit for 2-3 seconds, and the edit options become available.

Now, accessing a user voice to use in a style might not be so easy. A quick look and while you can change voices in a style I don't see anything that would allow access to the User bank of voices. Not saying that it can't be done but it isn't an obvious choice.
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#463483 - 12/20/18 05:06 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: Bachus]
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One other thought on this although I haven't tried it. When in the edit mode for a voice there are two options at the bottom. "Factory Restore and Factory Overwrite." That makes it sound like you could overwrite the factory voice with whatever changes you made and then you would be able to use that modified sound in a style. Thoughts?
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#463498 - 12/20/18 06:59 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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Originally Posted By IMMusic_Curt
One other thought on this although I haven't tried it. When in the edit mode for a voice there are two options at the bottom. "Factory Restore and Factory Overwrite." That makes it sound like you could overwrite the factory voice with whatever changes you made and then you would be able to use that modified sound in a style. Thoughts?


I never overwrite factory voices..
I just want to either save what i eddited inside the style..
Or as a user save..

The manual does not show any option for edditing and saving GM voices as a user voice.. (because it seems that Ketron calls all initial voices “GM “ voices)

Maybe this will come when they finally add the sample option, which should include a way to save user voices.

How does this work in the audya?
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#463499 - 12/20/18 07:07 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: Bachus]
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100% agree with your thoughts on overwriting a factory sound - Exactly why we haven't tried the earlier suggestion. Even though this video was done on SD40, it works the same on SD90 regarding user voices.. https://youtu.be/TuyCHsfSrSE

The catch is accessing the user voices in a style. That seems to be the missing piece for what you would like to do.
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#463501 - 12/20/18 07:35 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: IMMusic_Curt]
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Originally Posted By IMMusic_Curt
100% agree with your thoughts on overwriting a factory sound - Exactly why we haven't tried the earlier suggestion. Even though this video was done on SD40, it works the same on SD90 regarding user voices.. https://youtu.be/TuyCHsfSrSE

The catch is accessing the user voices in a style. That seems to be the missing piece for what you would like to do.


Yes, thats a lovely interface..
But its kind of confusing to call this voices too
As they are actually a combination of 4 voices.
Korg pa4x calls these keyboardsets

What Ketron needs to do is add (most of)the 6 pages of edditing parameters for ever style and midifile part... and with an option to save them..
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#463502 - 12/20/18 07:44 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: Bachus]
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Whenever buying a power supply, check for pos vs neg tip polarity along with other specs. They are not made all the same..
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#463503 - 12/20/18 07:48 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: sparky589]
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Originally Posted By sparky589
Whenever buying a power supply, check for pos vs neg tip polarity along with other specs. They are not made all the same..


Thats what you said before...
Most powersuplies don’t have a negative...
they have a positive side and a 0 side..

Its obvious that a re-lacement power supply needs exactly the same specs as the orriginal. But thank you for the headsup..
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#463504 - 12/20/18 07:52 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: Bachus]
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Not trying to state the obvious but it is one thing commonly overlooked when purchasing. Too much theory to go into but it's available to read up on.


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#463622 - 12/22/18 04:54 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: Bachus]
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I just got comfirmation from Pedro Dera, Holland biggest Ketron dealer, known for his great service..

There is no way to edit and save GM voices, GM voices are the voices used in styles, launchpad and midi files..
You can only edit the right hand voices, which is a combination of up to 3 GM voices, and a 2nd (GM) voice.

No clue if this will change with a possible sample upgrade

I was there to discuss a possible deal which would mean exchanging my pa4x with some money for a sd90..
He will call me back on that deal.. he is also selling the Ajam sonic gold packs...

I was pretty sure, this was to be my next move..
But not being able to edit style and midi voices is really a dissapointment for me..


AJ, can we have your opinion about this?
And chances this will change with the prommised sample upgrade
Saw there was allready place in the file structure for user sounds and pcm samples..
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#463623 - 12/22/18 07:09 AM Re: Sd90 questions [Re: Bachus]
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Couple more comments - First, I don't agree with the term "GM" voices. To me, I instantly think of GM as in General MIDI. Not the case in the world of Ketron. This isn't what you are looking for I only share it in the event you haven't see it. It shows more about editing a voice on SDxx. https://youtu.be/be5xI9G_ugc

From your comments, it sounds as though you would like to go one step below what is offered and change the components that make up what Ketron calls a GM Voice. I'm wondering how much is terminology in the disctussion?

I'm making up this example and didn't really look at the SD90 when I typed this. If you take a Ketron GM voice that is made up of let's say two sounds(voices). Let's say Jazz Organ. On the main screen, that is all you see. However, if you go into edit mode you see that that sound is composed of two other sounds let's just say it's organ1 and organ2. Now, you can change a number of things regarding both of those sounds and how they interact to make up the Jazz Organ sound (GM Voice). How different is that from looking at an edit screen and instead of combining organ1 and organ2 the screen is labeled Part A, Part B, or some other description allowing you to mix those elements together to create a new sound or modify an existing sound?

As you can probably tell - We don't do much voice editing other than something as simple as change reverb level, perhaps a little detuning or chorus effects. With hundreds and hundreds of sounds at our fingertips just don't find a need to change them all that much. But I do know some folks that are very deep into voice creation/editing. What do some of the other manufacturers offer in this area and what do they call the various components of a sound/voice?
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