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#453861 - 06/24/18 09:37 AM 88-key arrangers
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I’m looking for 88 key arranger. Or 76key weighted arranger keyboard.
I’m only familiar with clavinovas and korg pa588.

Any others out there ?

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#453862 - 06/24/18 10:16 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Not that I am aware of as they are too large for most houses, (At least outside the US where 99% of arrangers are sold) and they weigh too heavy for those that gig, hybrids like the clavinova are the only way to go.

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#453863 - 06/24/18 10:59 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Casio PX 160 ( or something similar ) and a Roland BK7m or Kenton module to midi it to

Problem solved .
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#453864 - 06/24/18 11:23 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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#453865 - 06/24/18 12:11 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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What Donny said
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#453868 - 06/24/18 01:13 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Bernie9]
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88mkeys and high end arranger capabilities forces you to Ketron SD40 or the upcomming SD90 pro..

Best 88 key arranger is currently the Korg Havian 30, but the arranger part is the low end pa300.

The best 88 key arranger workstations still came from General Music. But thats long ago.. they where truely high end in their time.
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#453872 - 06/24/18 02:42 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Does the Yamaha DGX 660 count?
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#453873 - 06/24/18 03:25 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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While it’s not state of the art, I do enjoy playing my Korg Havian at home. Mostly I just play piano on it, but it’s nice to some rhythms and styles to play along with. The chord sequencer is awesome!
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#453874 - 06/24/18 06:32 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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May I suggest a Korg Havian 30. I have one for sale on Ebay.
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#453875 - 06/24/18 07:39 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: salsaman]
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Originally Posted By salsaman
May I suggest a Korg Havian 30. I have one for sale on Ebay.

Now that’s an interesting arranger that I haven’t heard about. How old is it ?

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#453889 - 06/25/18 08:57 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: MacAllcock]
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Originally Posted By MacAllcock
Does the Yamaha DGX 660 count?


The arranger part of the DGX is even further watered down compared to the havian 30.

Strongest point of the Havian 30 however is that it has the same piano sound as the pa4x..
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#453897 - 06/25/18 10:43 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Yep, Korg Havian would be my recommendation too. The DGX-660 and Casio PX-560 are good but have a watered-down feature set. The Roland BK-7m is another module you could use, more affordable than the Ketron SD40, but it doesn't have on-board style creation (if that's important to you.)

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#453900 - 06/25/18 11:51 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Bachus]
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Strongest point of the Havian 30 however is that it has the same piano sound as the pa4x.. [/quote]

Really? I did not know that. I ‘m very much enjoying my Havian 30. I let a very good classical pianist use it for party in medium sized ball . He played during the dinner hour. Sounded great and he only used the built in speakers.
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#453934 - 06/26/18 06:33 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: montunoman]
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With Dan's vArranger2 software, free or commercial SF2 sound fonts / sound modules like Ketron SD1000 module, and MIDI controllers like Akai APC40 mk2 and APC Key 25 with MIDI light feedback buttons, I turned my old Yamaha S80 88-key synth and my Casio PX560 88-key digital stage piano into decent arrangers that can play styles from Yamaha, Korg, Ketron, Roland, and Technics in 2 different rooms.

The vArranger2 software covers arranger basics well, and makes arranger travel light by using a Windows touchscreen laptop, mini keyboards like Korg microKey Air 61, and small MIDI controllers like Korg nanoKontrol2 for MIDI light feedback buttons.

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#454014 - 06/27/18 10:47 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Too bad Korg and Yamaha don't want to go for the tabletop/rack version. I would buy them in a heart beat! I tried Havian 30 and did NOT like the keybed at all. I mean I could get used to it, but the arranger part wasn't all that impressive.

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#454031 - 06/27/18 12:53 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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As stated earlier vArranger2 is a good option. I use it connected to my Yamaha MOXF. It works really well. It sounds great through the MOXF. I also have a SD2 module that works well. There are audio demos of it being played through the SD2 and the MOXF on the internet. You might want to take a listen.

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#454045 - 06/27/18 10:04 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: SAM CA]
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Originally Posted By SAM CA
Too bad Korg and Yamaha don't want to go for the tabletop/rack version. I would buy them in a heart beat! I tried Havian 30 and did NOT like the keybed at all. I mean I could get used to it, but the arranger part wasn't all that impressive.


As far as tabletop vrsions, ketron is the only way to go..
I am expecting a lot from the sd90
Altough its still not up on Ketrons website

And you can combine it with you favorite 88 key,
Be it Nord stage3, korg Kronos, yamaha montage, roland rd2000, kurzweil forte or kawai mp11..
You will have your favorite keybed combined with a perfect arranger..


Currently the fact that there is still no multipads on the Varranger and that i seems in a rather stale development phase is keeping me away from Varranger.
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#454095 - 06/28/18 10:12 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus

As far as tabletop vrsions, ketron is the only way to go..
I am expecting a lot from the sd90
Altough its still not up on Ketrons website

And you can combine it with you favorite 88 key,
Be it Nord stage3, korg Kronos, yamaha montage, roland rd2000, kurzweil forte or kawai mp11..
You will have your favorite keybed combined with a perfect arranger..


Currently the fact that there is still no multipads on the Varranger and that i seems in a rather stale development phase is keeping me away from Varranger.


Ketron doesn't seem to have a strong presence in the US. I can't even remember when was the last time that I saw one. Looking forward to reading your reviews on the SD9. Yeah, it'd be very nice to have a strong module and be able to pick a nice keybed.


Edited by SAM CA (06/28/18 10:14 PM)

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#454096 - 06/28/18 10:35 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: SAM CA]
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Originally Posted By SAM CA
Originally Posted By Bachus

As far as tabletop vrsions, ketron is the only way to go..
I am expecting a lot from the sd90
Altough its still not up on Ketrons website

And you can combine it with you favorite 88 key,
Be it Nord stage3, korg Kronos, yamaha montage, roland rd2000, kurzweil forte or kawai mp11..
You will have your favorite keybed combined with a perfect arranger..


Currently the fact that there is still no multipads on the Varranger and that i seems in a rather stale development phase is keeping me away from Varranger.


Ketron doesn't seem to have a strong presence in the US. I can't even remember when was the last time that I saw one. Looking forward to reading your reviews on the SD9. Yeah, it'd be very nice to have a strong module and be able to pick a nice keybed.


Strong presence or not, they have top knotch support in the US by AJ..
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#454106 - 06/29/18 03:12 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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This is also an option for adding arranger styles to a piano..
Yamaha and Roland have an incredible smart piano app..

Personally i think this is what the future holds for arrangers..
They are going to offer arranger styles for every home piano they sell..
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#454107 - 06/29/18 03:47 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Awesome! Especially with that app. Good 'bang-for-the-buck' also. I may have to spring for one of those. That will complete my 'essential three', Piano (P515), Rhodes (Seven), and 'B3' (KeyB Duo Mk111). After that I'll dump everything except the Bk7m and VP770. Maybe.......

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#454108 - 06/29/18 05:14 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Don’t disregard the Roland FP90 it comes with a companion app for the ipad and you can make many of the same adjustments with the app or at the piano itself. It’s a great piano, ask Bill Lewis too.

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#454109 - 06/29/18 05:41 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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@ $300 price difference. Hate the fact that I'd have to buy an Ipad to take advantage of the app.

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#454117 - 06/29/18 08:47 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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@ $300 price difference. Hate the fact that I'd have to buy an Ipad to take advantage of the app.

chas


Well, when it comes to tablets, seems apple has won the war, android tablets are slowly leaving the scene. Windows tablets however like the high end micrsosft surface are another thing

The main reason why all these companies choose Apple is the fact that its much more reliable because of a single hardware platform and much much more secure .. on top of that the average ipad owner spends a factor 100 times as much monmey on apps as the android owner, simply because apple has banned out the hackers and the pirates where android still embraces them, even offering them their own markets..

Prices of software on apple are really really acceptable to me, i will never look back.

And another thing, did you know that programming a high end Android app costs as much as 5 times as programming an Apple app, because of how the tooling works... and there is no easy way to convert from apple to android, so programmers need to start all over.


So my best bet is, apple will be king of the tabblet market for a very very long time... the tablet market is very different from the mobile phone market.


So there is many many reasons why these apps mostly come to apple... espescially in the musik market apple ipad is king... now all yamaha needs to do is allow this app to communicate with other music software on ipad.
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#454122 - 06/29/18 09:45 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Everything you say is true but I still hate it (the fact that I only have ONE choice).

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#454127 - 06/29/18 11:25 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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In this case if it wasn't for apple you would have no choice
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#454129 - 06/29/18 01:04 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Steve, Bill, Bachus, any personal opinions about the quality of the SOUND of the FP90 vs the P515? I know it's subjective but I'd be interested in your opinions anyway. Also your comments or thoughts on the feature sets of the two. Any other digi-pianos in this specific category/price range (Nord? Casio?)? Thanks.

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#454137 - 06/29/18 10:55 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Steve, Bill, Bachus, any personal opinions about the quality of the SOUND of the FP90 vs the P515? I know it's subjective but I'd be interested in your opinions anyway. Also your comments or thoughts on the feature sets of the two. Any other digi-pianos in this specific category/price range (Nord? Casio?)? Thanks.

chas


I personally prefer the Roland PHA50 action above the NWX of yamaha, but in the end both are really good...

I love the Bösendorfer sound of the Yamaha, but also the Roland piano sounds... thats a personal thing, in general people iether prefer Yamaha or Rolands sound..

Strong point of the yamaha is the complete soundset it uses to play styles, where the Roland uses the ipad to play styles.. in general i think yamaha’s app that i tried extensively on the csp 170 performes better then the Roland app (which also comes with my. G0-piano)

In the end you need to try both yourself, the difference is mostly about personal flavour.


Other piano’s in this price range would be kawai’s es8 and mp7 which both have an incredible action...and good sound... mp7 is a stage model witouth speakers(there is a lot of stage models in this price range)

I think both outperform casio’s px 560.. and anything with a fatar action..


Edited by Bachus (06/29/18 10:59 PM)
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#454139 - 06/30/18 04:32 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Thanks Bachus. I appreciate the briefing. I'm leaning strongly towards the Yamaha. I too, really like that Bosendorfer sound, although I'm not sure if it's the best one for jazz/blues type playing.

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#454140 - 06/30/18 04:57 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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Bosendorfer for concert and quility.
Yamaha for jazz and blues.

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#454143 - 06/30/18 06:27 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.
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#454144 - 06/30/18 06:53 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: FransN]
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Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.
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#454149 - 06/30/18 07:31 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Thanks Bachus. I appreciate the briefing. I'm leaning strongly towards the Yamaha. I too, really like that Bosendorfer sound, although I'm not sure if it's the best one for jazz/blues type playing.

chas


Adding a bösendorfer sound to the typical Yamaha soumds, adds so much ...
They are 2 totally different characters...

Keep in mind tough, that Rolamd has several different brands of piano sampled... and/or modelled.. which makes Rolands piano collection even broader..

I love having steinway, boesendorfer, august/foster, yamaha and fazioli grand piano sounds in the Kronos.. all are great with each their very own character..
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#454150 - 06/30/18 07:33 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: FransN]
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Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.


Except for style quallity, i still hink the casio styles lag the yamaha and korg ones by atleast a decade... mostly because of the orchestral sounds (except for strings) and guitars and basses and drums...


Piano, organ, dp, strings, synths are top tough..


And while the keyboard action is acceptable... its no match for the pha50 amd NWX...


But then thats just my opinion..
In the end both the Roland and the Yamaha are in another league, but then they also are a priceclass higher..


Edited by Bachus (06/30/18 07:37 AM)
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#454151 - 06/30/18 07:59 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Indeed Bachus that’s your opinion but I know better because I own one wink
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#454169 - 06/30/18 02:45 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I'm guessing that if the average musician was blindfolded in a room and only one was played, he/she would be hard-pressed to say which one it was. BUT...in the video below, in the comments section, the majority seemed to favor the Casio PX560. Unfortunately, the Yamaha 515 was not included. To me, the Casio seemed a little 'heavy' (ponderous, thick, too full, don't know quite how to describe it) but definitely not 'bad', just probably not my first choice among those three. But as we always say, it's purely subjective, and all sounded really good (the Casio being 'killer' at it's price point). Of course, key feel can not be demonstrated in a Youtube video, so it IS important to go to the store and play one.

I'm still up in the air and spending lots of time (too much smile ) checking out Youtube demos and reading comments of all the models mentioned in this class of digital piano. Thanks for your input. Still loving the SEVEN but still trying to adjust to it's keyboard action. Not quite there yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yO6caa1z0

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#454177 - 06/30/18 09:02 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By FransN
Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.
So many great choices when it comes to 88 keys, but I, too, think the PX560 is among the better choices in many respects. I used to own a Casio PX330. An excellent action (as subjective as it can be, it is a very solid keyboard action) and great piano sounds at only 24 pounds. The Yamaha P515 looks promising, but at 48 pounds, I won't consider it as a gig instrument. The PX560 is 26 pounds. Just recently I purchased a Numa Stage (28 lbs) by StudioLogic. I should have purchased the PX560.

Anyway, any 88 key controller paired with either vArranger or the SD40 would make a great 88 key arranger.
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#454182 - 06/30/18 10:51 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch
Originally Posted By FransN
Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.
So many great choices when it comes to 88 keys, but I, too, think the PX560 is among the better choices in many respects. I used to own a Casio PX330. An excellent action (as subjective as it can be, it is a very solid keyboard action) and great piano sounds at only 24 pounds. The Yamaha P515 looks promising, but at 48 pounds, I won't consider it as a gig instrument. The PX560 is 26 pounds. Just recently I purchased a Numa Stage (28 lbs) by StudioLogic. I should have purchased the PX560.

Anyway, any 88 key controller paired with either vArranger or the SD40 would make a great 88 key arranger.


The P515 has wooden keys.. which makes it heavy...
I don’t think either the p515 as well as the fp90 are meant for gigging..
I allways asumed them being aimed at home players and kids starting piano..

If you need to move it a lot, and buy it for the typical keyboard sounds, the px 560 might actually be the best choice.. despite having a less authentic action, and not having the best arranger styles.. it still is a good instrument, just not the best, but does have its adavntages..

However if only weight counts... you could also look at a nord stage, its in the same weight category... and asuming you will use it with an sd40, would also make a very very nice setup..


There is so many options...
thats what makes choosing hard..
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#454218 - 07/01/18 09:18 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I think of DGX as a more of a very entry level keyboard with its fake weighted keys.

So, got on Craigslist clavinova cvp-204 for now, it’s outdated but for now should be ok, but I’m on a look out for newer used Clavinovas, and other 88key arrangers.

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#454219 - 07/01/18 09:23 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: zionip]
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Originally Posted By zionip
With Dan's vArranger2 software, free or commercial SF2 sound fonts / sound modules like Ketron SD1000 module, and MIDI controllers like Akai APC40 mk2 and APC Key 25 with MIDI light feedback buttons, I turned my old Yamaha S80 88-key synth and my Casio PX560 88-key digital stage piano into decent arrangers that can play styles from Yamaha, Korg, Ketron, Roland, and Technics in 2 different rooms.

The vArranger2 software covers arranger basics well, and makes arranger travel light by using a Windows touchscreen laptop, mini keyboards like Korg microKey Air 61, and small MIDI controllers like Korg nanoKontrol2 for MIDI light feedback buttons.

Thanks,
Paul


I tried varranger few months ago on friends home set up, it seems at very early stages and has long to go to catch up to hardware arrangers.

Worst part is that on many styles after filling end and goes into “normal” part, there’s a few milliseconds pause , like 1/32th note, that makes this varranger software unusable.

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#454222 - 07/02/18 12:43 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Are you sure you have tried a legal vArranger version? smile


Originally Posted By Vadim


I tried varranger few months ago on friends home set up, it seems at very early stages and has long to go to catch up to hardware arrangers.

Worst part is that on many styles after filling end and goes into “normal” part, there’s a few milliseconds pause , like 1/32th note, that makes this varranger software unusable.
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#454223 - 07/02/18 02:11 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: DAN.2000]
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I have vArranger and don't find that to be true at all.
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#454240 - 07/02/18 08:59 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Originally Posted By Vadim

I tried varranger few months ago on friends home set up, it seems at very early stages and has long to go to catch up to hardware arrangers.

Worst part is that on many styles after filling end and goes into “normal” part, there’s a few milliseconds pause , like 1/32th note, that makes this varranger software unusable.


The Varrange with the lates sound sets sound as good as the TOTL arenagers curently available..

Your friend might have set the program up wrong...
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#454241 - 07/02/18 10:38 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I don't say vArranger soundset sounds as good as all the TOTL smile
But you can get a good compatibility with most of the style and complete your soundset with some best quality VST instruments, like a grand piano that sounds better than any hardware arranger

hardware arrangers used to add some FX like disto on guitars that adds some realism to the sound. This part still need a bit improvements in vArranger
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#454245 - 07/02/18 12:03 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
I have vArranger and don't find that to be true at all.
I, too, have vArranger and I don't have the same issue, either.
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#454268 - 07/02/18 09:33 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: DAN.2000]
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Originally Posted By DAN.2000

hardware arrangers used to add some FX like disto on guitars that adds some realism to the sound. This part still need a bit improvements in vArranger


You can allways use VST's for the guitars and DSP effects..

Altough, if you have a hardware keybaord with USB audio support like the Yamaha Montage or Korg Kronos, its as easy to make VST's part of your setup as in Varranger.

Sadly there is no Arranger key yet that has Audio over USB support.
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#454273 - 07/03/18 12:04 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
I'm guessing that if the average musician was blindfolded in a room and only one was played, he/she would be hard-pressed to say which one it was. BUT...in the video below, in the comments section, the majority seemed to favor the Casio PX560. Unfortunately, the Yamaha 515 was not included. To me, the Casio seemed a little 'heavy' (ponderous, thick, too full, don't know quite how to describe it) but definitely not 'bad', just probably not my first choice among those three. But as we always say, it's purely subjective, and all sounded really good (the Casio being 'killer' at it's price point). Of course, key feel can not be demonstrated in a Youtube video, so it IS important to go to the store and play one.

I'm still up in the air and spending lots of time (too much smile ) checking out Youtube demos and reading comments of all the models mentioned in this class of digital piano. Thanks for your input. Still loving the SEVEN but still trying to adjust to it's keyboard action. Not quite there yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yO6caa1z0

chas
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#454341 - 07/05/18 07:43 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Bachus]
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What’s TOTL ?

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#454344 - 07/05/18 08:02 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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#454345 - 07/05/18 08:33 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Can someone send me a link to a video of food quality varranger2 music ?
I searched on YouTube and all the the varranger videos sound very very cheap..

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#454346 - 07/05/18 08:34 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
The Varrange with the lates sound sets sound as good as the TOTL arenagers curently available..
In speaking of a TOTL, that's quite a compliment for vArranger coming from someone who knows gear and I agree with you. I know that you've been saying quite often about a TOTL 88 key arranger. It dawned on me that if there is an 88 key arranger, it will be probably too bulky with all the buttons and knobs. You know how most arranger keyboards are pretty deep.

I find vArranger a lot easier to work with than any hardware arranger. With one or two midi controllers, it can be so flexible. For instance, I use a small $12 Bluetooth QWERTY keyboard to call up a number of functions or sounds - just as many functions or sounds as there are keys on the QWERTY keyboard. I attach the Bluetooth keyboard on the grille of my accordion and call up sounds/functions wireless. Or if I play a digital piano, I use a little bigger QWERTY keyboard.

Recently, a vA user named Bluebeat posted on the vA forum about Synthfont. He asked the owner of Synthfont if he would add features to Synthfont so that it could handle large banks and multiple files (soundfonts). The program has started working on it and there is a beta version. The program is only 15 Euros. So I purchased it and I believe it will really enhance vA for recording and live performance. There are some excellent soundfonts out there.
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#454347 - 07/05/18 08:51 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I heard demos of varranger with Ketron sd2, those sounded ok,
but all the other sf2 soundfonts and varranger internal sounds are not that great.

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#454348 - 07/05/18 09:31 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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#454349 - 07/05/18 09:33 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
The Varrange with the lates sound sets sound as good as the TOTL arenagers curently available..
In speaking of a TOTL, that's quite a compliment for vArranger coming from someone who knows gear and I agree with you. I know that you've been saying quite often about a TOTL 88 key arranger. It dawned on me that if there is an 88 key arranger, it will be probably too bulky with all the buttons and knobs. You know how most arranger keyboards are pretty deep.

I find vArranger a lot easier to work with than any hardware arranger. With one or two midi controllers, it can be so flexible. For instance, I use a small $12 Bluetooth QWERTY keyboard to call up a number of functions or sounds - just as many functions or sounds as there are keys on the QWERTY keyboard. I attach the Bluetooth keyboard on the grille of my accordion and call up sounds/functions wireless. Or if I play a digital piano, I use a little bigger QWERTY keyboard.

Recently, a vA user named Bluebeat posted on the vA forum about Synthfont. He asked the owner of Synthfont if he would add features to Synthfont so that it could handle large banks and multiple files (soundfonts). The program has started working on it and there is a beta version. The program is only 15 Euros. So I purchased it and I believe it will really enhance vA for recording and live performance. There are some excellent soundfonts out there.


The strong point of Varranger remains, that you can use VST's, for the widest sound quallity and choice of sounds... this allows you to add some depth where you need it.

Having a good sound set is just the beginning...

What in my eyes makes Varranger still a 2nd choice is thats it missing all those buttons and direct controll, and i think that there for it could never become as comfortable to me as a hardware arranger like the pa4x or Genos where every button is on the right place.. and gives you the direct controll you need.

I am still considering going back to a single 88 key however, being my Kronos(or a nord stage) combined with a Ketron SD90 and my mainstage/VST Macbook.

Having the Nord stage for example, with SD90 in the middle on top of it in an almost vertical position (20 degrees) sounds like the closest thing to an 88 key totl solution..
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#454352 - 07/06/18 04:05 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I try to put videos from user here
https://www.facebook.com/vArranger
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#454353 - 07/06/18 08:07 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I have owned vARRANGER from day one, and I want to say that Dan, not only has made the program what it is today, but has personally helped me on numerous occasions. I am a big supporter of Dan and vARRANGER.

Bernie
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#454500 - 07/10/18 07:19 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Torch]
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Not too bad. Better than the demos I found.
Any idea what sound modules were used in those examples ?

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#454503 - 07/10/18 08:48 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Originally Posted By Vadim


Not too bad. Better than the demos I found.
Any idea what sound modules were used in those examples ?


They dont use any module
Those are sounds of the build in sound engine in Varranger..
V-arranger comes at 350€
Soundsets for each brand comes at €100

Module or external sound source is an option but no longer required
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#454506 - 07/10/18 11:19 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Bachus]
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These are Ketron SD9 soundfonts. Somebody sampled his own SD9. Sorry I didn't include the source in my previous post.

Here's the link.
https://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php/topic,3612.msg28631.html#msg28631

Dan's own sounds are very good, too but they are "proprietary" in that they can be used only in vArranger.
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#454512 - 07/11/18 05:03 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Torch]
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These are Ketron SD9 soundfonts. Somebody sampled his own SD9. Sorry I didn't include the source in my previous post.

Here's the link.
https://www.varranger.com/vforum/index.php/topic,3612.msg28631.html#msg28631

Dan's own sounds are very good, too but they are "proprietary" in that they can be used only in vArranger.


Offcourse they are proprietary, we all know how much work is involved in a sampling job like this...

Altough sampling robot is a huge step forward... where it comes to saving time.
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