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#454143 - 06/30/18 06:27 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.

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#454144 - 06/30/18 06:53 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By FransN
Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.

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#454149 - 06/30/18 07:31 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Thanks Bachus. I appreciate the briefing. I'm leaning strongly towards the Yamaha. I too, really like that Bosendorfer sound, although I'm not sure if it's the best one for jazz/blues type playing.

chas


Adding a bösendorfer sound to the typical Yamaha soumds, adds so much ...
They are 2 totally different characters...

Keep in mind tough, that Rolamd has several different brands of piano sampled... and/or modelled.. which makes Rolands piano collection even broader..

I love having steinway, boesendorfer, august/foster, yamaha and fazioli grand piano sounds in the Kronos.. all are great with each their very own character..
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#454150 - 06/30/18 07:33 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By FransN
Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.


Except for style quallity, i still hink the casio styles lag the yamaha and korg ones by atleast a decade... mostly because of the orchestral sounds (except for strings) and guitars and basses and drums...


Piano, organ, dp, strings, synths are top tough..


And while the keyboard action is acceptable... its no match for the pha50 amd NWX...


But then thats just my opinion..
In the end both the Roland and the Yamaha are in another league, but then they also are a priceclass higher..


Edited by Bachus (06/30/18 07:37 AM)
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#454151 - 06/30/18 07:59 AM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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Indeed Bachus that’s your opinion but I know better because I own one wink

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#454169 - 06/30/18 02:45 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I'm guessing that if the average musician was blindfolded in a room and only one was played, he/she would be hard-pressed to say which one it was. BUT...in the video below, in the comments section, the majority seemed to favor the Casio PX560. Unfortunately, the Yamaha 515 was not included. To me, the Casio seemed a little 'heavy' (ponderous, thick, too full, don't know quite how to describe it) but definitely not 'bad', just probably not my first choice among those three. But as we always say, it's purely subjective, and all sounded really good (the Casio being 'killer' at it's price point). Of course, key feel can not be demonstrated in a Youtube video, so it IS important to go to the store and play one.

I'm still up in the air and spending lots of time (too much smile ) checking out Youtube demos and reading comments of all the models mentioned in this class of digital piano. Thanks for your input. Still loving the SEVEN but still trying to adjust to it's keyboard action. Not quite there yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yO6caa1z0

chas
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#454177 - 06/30/18 09:02 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By FransN
Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.
So many great choices when it comes to 88 keys, but I, too, think the PX560 is among the better choices in many respects. I used to own a Casio PX330. An excellent action (as subjective as it can be, it is a very solid keyboard action) and great piano sounds at only 24 pounds. The Yamaha P515 looks promising, but at 48 pounds, I won't consider it as a gig instrument. The PX560 is 26 pounds. Just recently I purchased a Numa Stage (28 lbs) by StudioLogic. I should have purchased the PX560.

Anyway, any 88 key controller paired with either vArranger or the SD40 would make a great 88 key arranger.
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#454182 - 06/30/18 10:51 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Torch]
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Originally Posted By Torch
Originally Posted By FransN
Save yourself some money and buy the Casio PX 560. No iPad or apps needed because everything is onboard as it should. Great allrounder with everything you need.
So many great choices when it comes to 88 keys, but I, too, think the PX560 is among the better choices in many respects. I used to own a Casio PX330. An excellent action (as subjective as it can be, it is a very solid keyboard action) and great piano sounds at only 24 pounds. The Yamaha P515 looks promising, but at 48 pounds, I won't consider it as a gig instrument. The PX560 is 26 pounds. Just recently I purchased a Numa Stage (28 lbs) by StudioLogic. I should have purchased the PX560.

Anyway, any 88 key controller paired with either vArranger or the SD40 would make a great 88 key arranger.


The P515 has wooden keys.. which makes it heavy...
I don’t think either the p515 as well as the fp90 are meant for gigging..
I allways asumed them being aimed at home players and kids starting piano..

If you need to move it a lot, and buy it for the typical keyboard sounds, the px 560 might actually be the best choice.. despite having a less authentic action, and not having the best arranger styles.. it still is a good instrument, just not the best, but does have its adavntages..

However if only weight counts... you could also look at a nord stage, its in the same weight category... and asuming you will use it with an sd40, would also make a very very nice setup..


There is so many options...
thats what makes choosing hard..
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#454218 - 07/01/18 09:18 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: Vadim]
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I think of DGX as a more of a very entry level keyboard with its fake weighted keys.

So, got on Craigslist clavinova cvp-204 for now, it’s outdated but for now should be ok, but I’m on a look out for newer used Clavinovas, and other 88key arrangers.

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#454219 - 07/01/18 09:23 PM Re: 88-key arrangers [Re: zionip]
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Originally Posted By zionip
With Dan's vArranger2 software, free or commercial SF2 sound fonts / sound modules like Ketron SD1000 module, and MIDI controllers like Akai APC40 mk2 and APC Key 25 with MIDI light feedback buttons, I turned my old Yamaha S80 88-key synth and my Casio PX560 88-key digital stage piano into decent arrangers that can play styles from Yamaha, Korg, Ketron, Roland, and Technics in 2 different rooms.

The vArranger2 software covers arranger basics well, and makes arranger travel light by using a Windows touchscreen laptop, mini keyboards like Korg microKey Air 61, and small MIDI controllers like Korg nanoKontrol2 for MIDI light feedback buttons.

Thanks,
Paul


I tried varranger few months ago on friends home set up, it seems at very early stages and has long to go to catch up to hardware arrangers.

Worst part is that on many styles after filling end and goes into “normal” part, there’s a few milliseconds pause , like 1/32th note, that makes this varranger software unusable.

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