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#447622 - 02/28/18 10:11 PM What's missing in this video?
Mark79100 Offline
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I love this video. Mike posted it a few weeks ago.

I like the song itself, the Genos cha-cha style, the sound quality, his "clean" playing, his "rhythmic" playing, his interpretation, etc.



But, there's something obvious that's missing in his performance. Any of you know what it is? HINT: it's OBVIOUS!

BTW...nice tune..... I looked it up (BTW again....he's playing as fast as her version)


same fast, strong cha cha beat

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#447624 - 02/28/18 10:20 PM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Mark79100]
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I give up. It's too late to be having to think. No vocal maybe? It basically sounds like most arrangers to me.
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#447629 - 03/01/18 12:58 AM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Mark79100]
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He’s not playing it on a Korg PA4x grin

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#447631 - 03/01/18 02:25 AM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Mark79100]
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... le falta ... la salsa latina!

(it lacks ... latin sauce!)


Edited by Ingres (03/01/18 03:15 AM)
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#447632 - 03/01/18 03:43 AM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Ingres]
Gunnar Jonny Offline
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Originally Posted By Ingres
... le falta ... la salsa latina!

(it lacks ... latin sauce!)


I think you hit the point, I was thinking the same when listen, it's too 'flat' and I feel that right hand sounds is played "the same way" regardless of what instrument to emulate.
That said, it's only what I hear, I am not the one play any better, not at all. blush
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#447634 - 03/01/18 04:47 AM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Mark79100]
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In the original, during the verse there is an off-beat piano chord pattern like „1 AND 2 AND 3 AND 4 AND“ only playing on AND. I don‘t know how to properly say that in English. That pattern is missing.

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#447759 - 03/02/18 02:25 PM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Mark79100]
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Are we getting a solution to the quiz?

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#447765 - 03/02/18 02:45 PM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Mark79100]
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The only thing I saw that was missing was the sheet music - maybe he doesn't need it!

The style he used is the same as the one on my PSR-S950, same intro, etc. He was playing the keyboard in the Full Keyboard mode, which means he can trigger chords using just three fingers anywhere on the entire keyboard. Anything less than three fingers is just played as a note.

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#447795 - 03/03/18 05:41 AM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Mark79100]
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I still think the missing off-beat piano chord pattern (similar to a "Ska" pattern) during the verse is by far the most striking difference. So instead of having a fluctuation between Ska and Salsa, there is a Salsa backing all the time.

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#447922 - 03/04/18 10:29 PM Re: What's missing in this video? [Re: Crossover]
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Well, Gunnar Jonny came closest to what I thought was missing.

It's drum breaks and drum fills. That's a terrific cha-cha style but it's TOO dominant....takes over the whole show....it needs to be "worked." I enjoyed the video up to the half way point....then I fell asleep in my mashed potatoes from the boredom of the rhythm. 3:09 minutes of a strong beat like that, without breaking it up violates the Geneva Convention!

Now you can get away with no drum breaks at all on an easy bossa nova, but not a cha-cha with that power that Yamaha put into it. It's a really great style but it can't be left to run by itself.

I posted my Tea for Two a few weeks ago and it's filled with drum fills with me playing around the fills. You can even go 4 bars with no rhythm if you know what you're doing, meaning what you're playing in the 4th bar should lead the listener back to the rhythm section coming in again. Many artists do that, but I don't hear many OMB's do it.

And, yes, I like the way he played that tune, but he is too repetitive!. Gunnar said it nicely....."it's too 'flat' and I feel that right hand sounds is played "the same way" regardless of what instrument to emulate."

Five stars to the Genos if that cha-cha is the tip of the iceberg of what that machine can do!

I'm curious. How many of you feel the same way regards "fills and breaks?" They ARE part of the presentation of a song and they do enhance that presentation when used creatively.

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