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#443834 - 01/02/18 09:54 PM SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement!
Henni Offline
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Hi all,

This is MAJOR news. I have it officially from AJ that the SD9 is NOT the Audya replacement and also NOT the new Ketron flagship.

Henni
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#443837 - 01/02/18 10:07 PM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Henni]
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The SD9 Pro is the professional version of the SD series and in a unique class of it's own, offering unique features for customers who what to spend more time playing and less time editting and creating from scratch. Thanks to newer technology, Ketron has succeeded in creating a musical instrument that truly puts music ...the arrangement of music at the hands of you the musician ... and which requires no engineering or IT background to operate (as seems to be the case with many instruments being released these days).

Audya's deep editing tools, multiple outputs including SPDIF in/out and additional audio features such as parametric EQ on audio drums...etc puts it in a unique class of its own for those who love to dive in deep ....( but not necessarily ahead) of the SD9 Pro, which also has unique professional features like Launch Pad not found on Audya ...or any other keyboard to date!

Ketron's SD9 Pro is for those who want a professional sounding product without all the in depth "editors and menus" usually associated with one ...one that sounds professional out of the box, a product you can purchase at 3pm and be gigging with at 6pm that same day.

In my opinion, both the SD9 Pro and Audya are flagships (a company can have multiple flagship instruments) ...just for different consumers and in different categories.

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#443838 - 01/02/18 10:25 PM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Henni Offline
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Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Also I'll state this again. The SD-series is NOT the AUDYA series and is not the flagship (else it would have been in our brochures as we've usually done e.g SD1, AUDYA).


Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
In my opinion, both the SD9 Pro and Audya are flagships (a company can have multiple flagship instruments) ...just for different consumers and in different categories.


Hi AJ,

Now you've lost me. You are playing with words like the politicians do.

Are you retracting your implication that a new Audya will be forthcoming?

Henni
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#443855 - 01/03/18 02:09 AM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Henni]
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No more Audya, maybe one update.

Told to me by AJ, by phone two weeks ago.


Edited by Bernie9 (01/03/18 02:10 AM)
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#443856 - 01/03/18 03:14 AM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Henni]
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We new that since sd9 was released.
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#443857 - 01/03/18 03:31 AM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Henni]
Henni Offline
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Very confusing.

1. Audya means audio = new technology using audio with midi
2. SD series were NEVER audio oriented.
3. Audya will not be replaced by anything.
4. SD series now becomes the audio/midi flagship, but is not a replacement for the Audya?

Sorry, I cannot see this other than a mere excuse for the SD9 not compatible with what whatever comes from the Audya. It is an easy thing to update the onboard SD9 converter to simply point the relevant Audya audio parts to the relevant new audio memory (albeit an updated version of the original) allocations on the SD9. (Surely Ketron did not completely throw away their original audio parts investment - they merely updated the original with more modern versions so no REAL need to port the original older stuff over to the SD9)

The SD9 sounds incredible - but to say it does not replace the Audya makes no sense. It is the same as Yamaha killing the Tyros series altogether by making the Genos not compatible with whatever comes from the previous models.

I have always been a staunch campfighter for Ketron - everyone here knows that. I am not on a sudden Ketron bashing spree. But please don't feed me things that makes no sense to explain away a serious manufacturer problem.

Gigging musicians like to use their hard work on the next new model - this is a standard thing that should be catered for and not merely be explained away!!!

Please enlighten me then:

1. The best available universal software that converts styles between arrangers are not even at the Audya level yet - they currently sit at SD5/Midjay Plus level max as is.

2. How do you expect to get non direct Ketron styles onboard the SD9 so that you can start adding the fantastic onboard stuff to it?

3. The ONLY way current is to 1st convert it to *.PAT format and then do a onboard SD9 to *.KST conversion that does not appear to be working at this stage.

4. Once this works as it should, now you can use the various outstanding style modelling features onboard the SD9 to update these into SUPER styles that could be shared amongst the other SD9 users.

5. Why should you be limited to use only what is available direct from Ketron for this?
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#443863 - 01/03/18 05:13 AM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Henni]
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" How do you expect to get non direct Ketron styles onboard the SD9 so that you can start adding the fantastic onboard stuff to it?"

I am not saying it is right or wrong, but maybe they don't want 3rd party styles in there.
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#443864 - 01/03/18 05:19 AM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Henni]
Henni Offline
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Ha Bernie!

What a joke - if that is the case I'll put my Audya away and focus purely on the Yahama. I think I have now created/converted/modified close to one hundred thousand styles for the Audya. I am sure many had some happy moments as a direct result.

Welcome to the year 2018! - We no longer live in the dark ages!!!

Henni
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#443865 - 01/03/18 06:06 AM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Henni]
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Originally Posted By Henni
Ha Bernie!
I have now created/converted/modified close to one hundred thousand styles for the Audya.
Henni


Henni why would someone need so many styles in the first place?
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#443867 - 01/03/18 07:04 AM Re: SD9 * * * NOT * * * Audya replacement! [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Henni
Ha Bernie!
I have now created/converted/modified close to one hundred thousand styles for the Audya.
Henni


Henni why would someone need so many styles in the first place?


Loathe to enter this discussion but Donny certainly has a point here. I have always been absolutely astonished by the insatiable desire for ever more styles. A few hundred really good styles should leave any capable keyboard player and tweaker with enough as it is. ( I am not including the songstyles, to which in particular Yamaha players seem to be fond of)....Incidentally the same applies to sounds imho.....

As for the overall discussion on the merits of Ketron, I would say to Deane and Bernie " count your blessings " the overall Ketron service is appalling and apparently they do not lend a very close ear to their customers. Furthermore I think that relatively speaking there are very very few Ketron players in the USA. Do not get me wrong, I owned several ( older)KEtrons and in many ways they were ahead of the competition ( drums !!!)
but with the current quality of the totl Korgs and Yamahas you might want to think not twice but even thrice before investing a lot of dough in an SD9 or whatever they come up with.......

regards
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