Too expensive for your budget? You can afford it but don't think it is worth the price? Don't like the way it sounds for your needs? Want a 61 key arranger instead of 76? Need onboard speakers? Don't like the design or color? Want a tilt up display? Waiting for the less costly MOTL arrangers to come to market? Like other brands sound, features instead? Think it's just a pimped out Tyros 5? Just disappointed wishing it's was something different when it was released? Going in a different direction with your music? To lazy to learn a NEW OS coming from a different brand kB? Waiting for Genos2? Wife will kill you if you ever spent 5k on a hobby lol? I need to have the latest & greatest at any cost always? I want bragging rights with my fellow musicians? Ive owned every model since Yamaha made arrangers and don't want to break the chain now?
If there's anything I left out please list it here Yay or Nay as we all benefit from other opinions?......

Lots of Yay's - No Nays!

Gary

Donny ...
1) I would not make a decision based on demo vids ...
2) For ME, it is cost prohibitive ...
3) I personally do not feel a need to 'test drive' one, as my Pa900 more than fills my needs ...
But that's me ... I'm sure it is right for others ...

I agree in the affirmative with most of the questions posed.

Totally overpriced as compared to other top of the line arrangers on the market.

As a guitarist who was in my band always said when he wanted a new toy, "It's only another gig a week."

Boats are overpriced, and continue to cost you more during the entire time you own them - I should know, I've owned more boats than keyboards. In additional to slip fees, winter storage and maintenance, if you really want to go big time, you can join a yacht club and really blow some hard cash.

Fishing tackle is overpriced - got lots of that too. I just gave my son a 12-weight saltwater fly rod and reel that cost nearly as much as a Genos. I'm too old to do that stuff anymore. Carol says I'm too old to do a lot of stuff anymore.;)

Golf is a VERY expensive hobby, keyboards are chump change in comparison to country club memberships and greens fees in this part of the world. Last time I checked, a decent golf cart went for about $3,500 plus batteries.

Now, how about ridiculously overprices - cars, mini-vans, pickup trucks, SUVs - Even used they tend to be way overpriced.

Exercise equipment, wow! All those climber/stepper/treadmill combinations cost a fortune, and their targeted audiences, the way the commercials appear, are young people. Old farts like us wouldn't last 2 minutes on one of those expensive contraptions.

But what the Hell do I know - I'm just an old fart!

Gary

Got to agree.

When you can get a 76 PA4X for likely under $3,900, it’s hard for me to justify the cost of Genos. FWIW, from what I’ve seen of demos, I’m really wondering if the Genos is as good as the 4X?

Perhaps I’ll get a chance to play one...that might change my mind. That said, if the Genos was as much keyboard for the money as was my S970, I’d order one. Right now I’m not seeing that.

Since fly rods cost that much, I'll just order a Genos then!
BTW, Korg issued another free group of new styles yesterday as a Christmas present for us!

Merry Christmas Old Man - If I had another one of those saltwater fly rods around here, I would pack it up and send it down to you.

Gary

One other thing.

For the folks who love playing Yamaha, and ordered a Genos, I would think that’s great. I’m sure that Genos will give owners years of enjoyment.

For me, I’m still at the point of justifying the cost as a business expense. And, my 4X appears to be a better investment both in capabilities and cost. But like I said, I haven’t played a Genos.

Don, Tx for the info.

In reality, the only way you could justify it as a business expense would be if the keyboard would generate additional income. If not, then it's a waste of money, business wise.

Gary

I truly wish I had one and I would if I didn't have to buy it! I'd still want to keep the Korg though!

Don ... Do you have a link to the styles? Thank you ...

Actually i never buy akeyboard in the first 6 months after release

- because they are cheaper after 6 months as you get better deals
- they are more reliable
- it gives me time to make a good assesment wether a new key is worth it

If i decide to buy a Genos, it will not only because of Genos, but also because of a 3rd party application called V-comsole that allos for a much better integration between Kronos and the arranger, then possible with any stand alone program...

But in the end, i am still wayting for that 88 key arranger workstation...with real workstation features.

Korg styles here:
http://www.korg.com/us/features/arrangers/bonusware/
The new batch is volume 28.

Thank you, Don ...

You left out.......Happy with my current keyboard. It does everything I need to entertain my audience.

Jerryghr

Gary......that was brilliant......black type, red type, black type, red type

I'm going to try that on my next Chas attack. I'm sure he'll appreciate how sanitized it looks.

Forgot to mention that you must have at least OS version 2.0 installed before loading the new styles!

Don
I asked at the Korg forum what to do once I have them on USB. Is it an upgrade or sets to load.

Don what are some of the names of the NEW styles please?

Do you think they'll work for the new 1000? (Whenever it might come)?

oops, copied wrong line, was talking about the free styles...

If I had the discretionary income...hell, why not. If what Ron says is true, Genos has an interesting future to look forward to.

I agree with Gary 100%.

and where are you guys buying your Genos at if you are paying 3,900 for PA4X

there are much better deals out there

it really not that much more guys .

I have done about 20 shows with my Genos and when you open it up and let it go it by far better then anything out there.


and Gary I got a boat too.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=112783

I don't know. Won't work on 4x unless latest version is installed. They may already be on the 1000.

It's a set to load. You can audition them from usb now.

And then what about the new SB. Does it replace my direct SB? I want the Xmas styles, but afraid of messing up my present SB. Be patient my friend, I am old. lol

Ohh......Yes, I got my Genos a few weeks ago, and it has been a blast....my audience did NOTICE the change and they tell me that they love it....

Each one of us, with all the respect, it is how well we feel about our own instrument and if you are happy, that is it. If you are all set with brand X, good for you, or W or Z...is fine.

I know lots of people that have purchase a Great Grand piano or an expensive furniture that no body seat on it, just to collect dust, because looks pretty, good for them, I did not pay for it, so......

I know that the sound of the Genos is unique, no other keyboard sounds like that...and I like it a lot, well, good for me, and that is why I got one and I am happy.

my 2 cents.

Manuel

What about resale a year from now will you get killed or not with price?

No one really knows.However, how much value did your car lose when you drove it out of the dealership's parking lot? Damned - that much!

Gary

That's why I lease or buy pre-owned ...

I am at the point of waiting until after Winter NAMM... January 25th week-end. Only 7 weeks away. By then, I'll have the money saved from a few sound gigs. I may have the chance to actually play one in person. Also, after the NAMM show, Yamaha may have some B-Stock Genos available. Save even more money.

Would love to keep the Pa4X but there may not be room for both. Plus I could use the money from the sale of the Kong Pa4x-61 to make it hurt less!

shuey what CAN'T you do with the Pa4x that you would need a genos?

Maybe it's not need, but desire ...

The next level of sounds... especially the drums! Really want to try them out soon. NAMM is a way to see what else comes out... Genos sounds without the styles for $2999. I’d invest in that idea!!!

Never expect any arranger News from Namm

Hi

Being a mediocre musician - playing for fun and at home only - and a poor singer - I have never used the vocal harmony in my previous keyboards - I decided in 2014 to go for a PSR S750.

And this suits me fine!

Jørgen

If Yamaha had not increased the price for T5 just before Genos came, and the difference to the other comparable was not that high, I would have bought Genos right away.
Right now Genos is a few dollars cheaper than T5, believe it or not, but still about 25% more expensive than other comparable TOTLs like Korg and Ketron.
To me, it's not so much about the money, but about the principles.
I simply refuse to be "a stupid milk cow" for Yamaha.
So, I either keep T4 and add a PA4X-76, or wait to see if Yamaha comes to terms with its pricing policy here in Norway.
Time will show.

I've been spending some time writing down some arguments, why I do not want Genos... admiting that I still love the idea of Genos, but not the Genos itself... , then I had to admit to myself that the more arguments I find, the more obvious my obsession gets.

Well, for now I maneged to convince myself that it's actually good for me that I want it not being able to afford it - even if I sell my car (not gonna do it)... It's always better to be focused on reaching something than on escaping something (well, philosophie is a form of denial as well).

So far I have two things to say, which seem to me quite solid. First, switching from PSR-3000 to PSR-S950 (with some external influence) 4 years ago didn't help me to become a better lyricist (sounds lame, but still), yet I did record with it a whole lot of stuff and I know that by that time PSR-3000 started to loose its charm. Now I need to find a good lyricist (I don't need a bad one because I have myself) who will use the stuff I made for songs, we will sell it and I'll get my Genos.

Second, and it's important. There're a lot of people who will never know what to do with any keyboard, including Genos. They have their own things to enjoy. Giving that I fail to enjoy tons of things, there's nothing rediculous in spending extra cash on a thing which will be actually used and appreciated. Still, there are instruments in the market which are much more about "the idea" than Genos, which is really about playing it quite a lot.

I know I'll be going back and forth.

In addition, I would say that anyone who would pay that kind of money for an instrument and not play it much has too much money. However, there are many who dream of sounding like the pros doing the demos, but haven't the fortitude, perseverance, or talent to reach anywhere near their goal. In the second category, if they get much enjoyment from the endeavor, it is worth it. Your case is more like us in that you are already a musician of sorts and want a tool to enhance your skills. I am always looking for ways to do this, but the instrument itself seldom is the magic catalyst unless you have such a basic instrument that it does not provide the necessary tools.

Many of us here, including myself, have top of the line instruments and have had the necessary means build into their boards for some time, and, are pros at their trade. Yet, the Genos beckons with all of their marketing hype, but the new sounds and features are a source of doubt about whether or not they have the best for them. Some will say "no way will I spend that kind of money when it will likely not earn them any more money. However, some like myself would get it if it somehow offered more than my present keyboards. So far, I haven't been convinced.

Well put Bernie. I have a feeling that a Genos may be in your future though.

Or why not just wait and see what is coming down the pike... a year or two..? What is tbe rush?

Donny, how is that tc helicon unit working? Better than th PA4X harmonizer?

He decided against it. It's for sale. If anyone is interested let me know. This one used only a few minutes $200. shipped to US. T.C. Helicon Perform VK. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/...ghoCdKcQAvD_BwE

She's cute, but still sounds like a trio of ducks to me, jmo

User incompetence. I can make any harmonizer sound SO much better than any demo I ever heard. Even my 25 year old Digitech stuff sounds better than the newest demos on line. What's WRONG with these manufacturers???? Why don't they use competent people to demo the units?
To be fair - this girl (Laura Clapp) is about the best I've heard, but still ... no cigar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbF9DPsU6Qs

I agree, Dave. Laura is really good, you may be even better. Most of the folks never learned vocal control, which is imperative when using any harmonizer/vocal processor, either onboard or outboard.

Gary