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#438254 - 10/02/17 04:56 AM Yamaha Genos Vocalizer?
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Is there any videos on the Vocal processor or vocalizer?
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#438262 - 10/02/17 06:39 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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is anyone ever gonna sing demo with genos?
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#438264 - 10/02/17 06:59 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Donny: My hunch (since they are somewhat vague) is it's similar to the PSR-S970.


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#438272 - 10/02/17 08:20 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Thanks I know that it has this feature but I want to hear what it sounds like is it any better than vh2 if so how does it compare to tc-helicon unit?
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#438277 - 10/02/17 08:34 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Thanks I know that it has this feature but I want to hear what it sounds like is it any better than vh2 if so how does it compare to tc-helicon unit?


Its still the same old VH2..
Since most homeplayers dont need or use it..
Yamaha is obviously not investing time and development in it
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#438280 - 10/02/17 08:44 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Then that alone kills it for me.

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#438345 - 10/02/17 04:51 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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I like Vocal Harmony... but I rarely use it. The TC stuff sounds far superior to VH2. You'd think they would partner with Digitech or Eventide for harmonies and Ozone for mastering just to compare to the Pa4X.

32 bit DAC should make this Genos sound fantastic! Hopefully the preamp in the mic input is good with a compressor and vocal FX (reverb/delay). Then the normal mic signal should sound good.
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#438348 - 10/02/17 05:47 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: 124]
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Originally Posted By 124
Then that alone kills it for me.


That and no tilt display..
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#438349 - 10/02/17 06:12 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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I mean really. It's a lovely keyboard but at rrp $6999 Au $ I think really aside from the new shape colour, touch screen, better sound. It really is just an upgraded T5.

Sorry Yammy, I know lot of early adopters to buy, but it just isn't a Great Leap Forward for the money. But beauty is in the eye's and ears of the beholder. I really thought you would go for the Montage type upgrade, in parts you have some arpegiators, only one, you even put a cheap volume button again on the body for volume.

As I said a lovely keyboard, but for the money I'll be sticking with my PAX4 Pro till maybe Genos 2. Please jump way ahead of this release next time. My opinion I know, but I'm a buyer when I see value, and I just can't here.

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#438350 - 10/02/17 06:25 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: 124]
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Originally Posted By 124
Then that alone kills it for me.


There is a report that the VH has been reworked, so we should wait and see.
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#438353 - 10/02/17 06:43 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: W Tracy Parnell]
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Originally Posted By W Tracy Parnell
Originally Posted By 124
Then that alone kills it for me.


There is a report that the VH has been reworked, so we should wait and see.


No waiting allowed! You have to BUY it to know what's in it. What's the fun in having a bunch of facts to deal with? smile
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#438355 - 10/02/17 06:55 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Ha!!! That is so true. Nobody in my area will carry it. I will have to travel to hear it before I would pull the trigger. If the VH is reworked, great! Only a hands on demo would sway me. My trusty headphones 🎧 and my Sennheiser mic 🎤 will be my support. Give me 2-4 hours and I think I would be able to make up my mind!!
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#438360 - 10/02/17 09:03 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Notice how few of the Yamaha demonstrators sing? Yet, the vocalizer is a major feature, so to speak. Why do they add it to an arranger, if not important? Yamaha needs to employ some of the posters, here, to demo their products------i.e., those who sing well, while playing.

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#438363 - 10/02/17 10:21 PM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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#438383 - 10/03/17 06:49 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: J. Larry]
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Originally Posted By J. Larry
Notice how few of the Yamaha demonstrators sing? Yet, the vocalizer is a major feature, so to speak. Why do they add it to an arranger, if not important? Yamaha needs to employ some of the posters, here, to demo their products------i.e., those who sing well, while playing.



good post Larry.........something is fishy in Denmark here ....
Im thinking no change from the previous VH2 and thats not good ....
we'll see..
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#438385 - 10/03/17 07:13 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Yup. I think Bachus mentioned somewhere that it's the same old VH2 deal.

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#438386 - 10/03/17 07:19 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: 124]
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Originally Posted By 124
Yup. I think Bachus mentioned somewhere that it's the same old VH2 deal.


why cant Yamaha team up with TC helicon and make this right?
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#438388 - 10/03/17 07:43 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By 124
Then that alone kills it for me.


That and no tilt display..


It seems the display is permanently tilted, by sinking the bottom of the screen into the case. It looks like a good viewing angle
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#438389 - 10/03/17 07:51 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By 124
Then that alone kills it for me.


That and no tilt display..


It seems the display is permanently tilted, by sinking the bottom of the screen into the case. It looks like a good viewing angle


everyone sits at a different height adjustable display is a must for viewing, glaring lights above etc etc etc ..it was on tyros why not genos..?
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#438391 - 10/03/17 07:54 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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gotta be a cost issue. For decades, we never had tilt displays ... or touch screens ... or ANY screens, for that matter.
Man, are we spoiled.
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#438397 - 10/03/17 08:19 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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In reality, it is rare to see ANY keyboard demonstration where singing is involved - nothing unusual. However, I have seen Yamaha demos where Martin Harris was singing, and DNJ actually commented how good his voice sounded.

Realistically, during a live performance, VH is rarely used, if at all. The most common effects are reverb, echo and delay, providing depth and fullness to the vocals. The vast majority of our forum members DO NOT sing at all, and of those that do, vocal harmony is used quite sparingly.

The only reason I did not do a comparison recording last night is because I had a broncho-spasm attack, which made breathing very, very difficult. I'll try to do it later today.

Though some folks on this forum may think it is fun to degrade a product they have never seen, touched, felt or heard in person, I think this is foolish and in reality, they could be held criminally liable. However, they legally, could express their opinion if it were based on an actual hands-on experience with the device itself.

That said, I have never been a big fan of onboard vocal harmonizers, and for many years I have used an add on harmonizer. I have, however, used the other features of the vocal processor, all of which are very good, IMO from actual usage on stage. Over the years, Yamaha has come a long way with it's vocal processors and I would not speculate on how the new one will sound. No one here really knows. And, as the commercials for other products always say "Individual experiences may vary."

At this stage of life, no longer being on stage, it's unlikely that I will be buying a new keyboard of any brand. I am now relegated to the ranks of being a home player, which is not nearly as much fun as being on stage, but I still enjoy sitting down at the keyboard. I still am able to sing, and I record a song or two every week, just for fun. I post some on another forum, and on rare occasions, here. If I were still on stage, I would still likely not purchase the keyboard, but that would purely be a business decision.

All the best,

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#438402 - 10/03/17 08:33 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
In reality, it is rare to see ANY keyboard demonstration where singing is involved - nothing unusual. However, I have seen Yamaha demos where Martin Harris was singing, and DNJ actually commented how good his voice sounded.

Realistically, during a live performance, VH is rarely used, if at all.



WOW. I couldn't disagree more, but that's just me, of course. I've perfected a style that emulates the vocal groups I admire, and I'm pretty sure that it's a major part of the draw to my shows. I look at harmony as more important than many other aspects of a show, but again, that's just me. It's part of my brand. I'm the harmony guy. I'm the Ace, the ONE Freshman, the Mills Brother, you get the idea ...
Anyway, maybe the reason so many are less than motivated to use VH is lack of inspiration from the instrument.
I would do a show with my old Korg i5s, as long as I bring a top notch TC harmonizer, and I'll wager that NO one would think it sounded dated, or substandard.
Face it - bass sounds have been awesome for decades, and electric pianos, too ... if the drums are not up to today's standards, no one will care, because, as I've stated many times, the drums are 4th on the pecking order of tones in my rig. If my vocals are right, the rest is gravy.
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#438404 - 10/03/17 08:39 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Yes we are spoiled ... and with lots of other stuff literally at our fingertips ...
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#438416 - 10/03/17 10:08 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By J. Larry
Notice how few of the Yamaha demonstrators sing? Yet, the vocalizer is a major feature, so to speak. Why do they add it to an arranger, if not important? Yamaha needs to employ some of the posters, here, to demo their products------i.e., those who sing well, while playing.



good post Larry.........something is fishy in Denmark here ....
Im thinking no change from the previous VH2 and thats not good ....
we'll see..


There was a report from our own Frank of CT on PSR Tutorial that the VH has been updated. I hope that is the case and if true, I would be looking at the 970 replacement in a couple years.
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#438417 - 10/03/17 10:19 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: travlin'easy]
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Gary even thou you are at home I like your recordings do more of it

you can be a you tube sensation .
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#438419 - 10/03/17 10:20 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: Dnj]
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Dave, read my post again - What I said was that I rarely see any keyboard demonstrations where singing is involved. The key word here is demonstrations. You are doing shows - not demonstrations and posting them on You Tube, though I would enjoy watching them if you did. I know that your vocals are top notch. Remember, I have heard you live on stage on a few occasions. However, unlike many players here, your vocals are essentially your right hand lead voice, and the same is true for me - I live and die by my vocals, but most players on this, and most other forums, are not singers, therefore vocal harmony is NOT their primary right hand voice. That was the point I was trying to make.

All the best,

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#438420 - 10/03/17 10:21 AM Re: Yamaha Genos Vocalizer? [Re: shueymusic]
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Johnathan it not going to take you that long .

bring your check book like I am going to do.
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