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#421359 - 05/16/16 02:44 PM MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference?
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Taking another run at learning how to use MIDI files...

I see some sites offering both MIDI files and MP3 files.

What's the difference?

Are there pros/cons related to each?

For you guys who uses these tools regularly, are there a couple websites you'd suggest for me to explore?

I'm interested in mostly classic rock, motown, R&B, etc...

Thanks! smile
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#421360 - 05/16/16 03:02 PM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: Bill in Dayton]
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The differences are dramatic:
- a MIDI file consists of bits of midi data, which means that you can make all kinds of changes to it: replace sounds with totally different sounds of your keyboard, make transpose changes, eliminate single notes or complete tracks (e.g. the live tracks you want to play) etc.
- an MP3 file is basically an unchangeable entity (except a few changes like limited tempo and pitch changes, however with quality loss).

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#421361 - 05/16/16 03:07 PM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Midi files are nothing more than a set of instructions that tell your keyboard or other sound source what to do. They are easily edited, transposed, etc.
There is a more or less accepted format for them, called General Midi, where certain sounds or groups of sounds are assigned to selected channels. For example drums are on 10, and sometimes 9, bass on 2, lead instrument, if any, is on 4 etc. It is not mandatory to use the GM format, but it makes it easier to work with if you have an idea of what sounds will be called up from what channels.
There are also expanded formats such as Yamaha's XG, Korg's GS... that are tailored to work best with their sound banks.
There are lots of better explanations on the internet, but this should give you an idea.
MP3s are compressed recordings of sounds. Some instruments can now transpose them to a degree. They really can't be edited though. The sounds that were originally recorded are what you get! WAV format is where most of them start, and they are compressed by the MP3 format to save space, since WAV files are really large in comparison. If you use a fairly high MP3 rate of compression, say 320, then it's hard for most ears to tell the difference in sound from the original file.
I record most of my performances in WAV format, then, if I wish to share them over the internet, compress them into MP3s. There are lots of free programs to convert them from WAV to MP3. They cannot be converted the other way to regain the original quality, so I always save the original recording in case I want to burn it to CD and get the best quality sound.
Hope this helps.

Edit: I see I cross-posted with Rosetree, but they replies are saying the same thing; I'm just longer-winded! smile


Edited by DonM (05/16/16 03:09 PM)
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#421366 - 05/16/16 04:58 PM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: DonM]
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The comments above pretty much explain the difference.
I find that using MIDI files to create a backing track is better than an mp3 because of the editing capabilities, especially when transposing to another key is necessary ... If you transpose an mp3 more than 2 or 3 steps - especially if it has background or harmony vocals in it - you are really going to distort the sound of the vocals ... I will sometimes take a MIDI file, change the instrument voices, drum set, key, tempo, whatever, and then record background vocals through the keyboard ... this produces an mp3 that sounds as I want it to ... OR record the MIDI file to a digital recorder and add more than one vocal track ...

Of course one can always just edit the styles on the KB to create a backing track as well, but that was not the question ...
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#421367 - 05/16/16 05:57 PM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: Bill in Dayton]
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Thanks guys...

Can you please recommend some good websites to find midi files?
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#421369 - 05/16/16 07:01 PM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: Bill in Dayton]
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There's lots of sites offering free MIDI files - some of those files are decent (often bootleg copies of purchased files), but a lot (most) of them are pretty bad. I've bought files from a few places, though some of the files for sale are as bad as anything you'll find for free (at least you get to hear samples before you buy, which is a good thing). I've had good luck with songgalaxy.com and a few other places, but my go-to site is yamahamusicsoft.com . You'll likely have to mess with program changes and such for the track to play the way you want on a non-Yamaha keyboard, but that's half the fun. Note that they've recently added a slew of "Premium songs" for more money, but the cheaper versions are actually (IMO) better - the Premium songs have a decidedly European flavor (a nice way of saying schmaltzy polka band sounding (-; )

- Jimbo


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#421375 - 05/17/16 01:48 AM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: DonM]
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Originally Posted By: DonM
Midi files are nothing more than a set of instructions that tell your keyboard or other sound source what to do. They are easily edited, transposed, etc.
There is a more or less accepted format for them, called General Midi, where certain sounds or groups of sounds are assigned to selected channels. For example drums are on 10, and sometimes 9, bass on 2, lead instrument, if any, is on 4 etc. It is not mandatory to use the GM format, but it makes it easier to work with if you have an idea of what sounds will be called up from what channels.
There are also expanded formats such as Yamaha's XG, Korg's GS... that are tailored to work best with their sound banks.
There are lots of better explanations on the internet, but this should give you an idea.
MP3s are compressed recordings of sounds. Some instruments can now transpose them to a degree. They really can't be edited though. The sounds that were originally recorded are what you get! WAV format is where most of them start, and they are compressed by the MP3 format to save space, since WAV files are really large in comparison. If you use a fairly high MP3 rate of compression, say 320, then it's hard for most ears to tell the difference in sound from the original file.
I record most of my performances in WAV format, then, if I wish to share them over the internet, compress them into MP3s. There are lots of free programs to convert them from WAV to MP3. They cannot be converted the other way to regain the original quality, so I always save the original recording in case I want to burn it to CD and get the best quality sound.
Hope this helps.

Edit: I see I cross-posted with Rosetree, but they replies are saying the same thing; I'm just longer-winded! smile


GS is actually a Roland format not Korg. (It’s also the format used in Windows computers to play Midi files)

For storage of songs in original format, convert them to FLAC (ALAC if you use Apple) as like a Zip file this is a lossless format, thus no information is lost, but the file sizes are far smaller. (Plus most players these days can play them back without conversion)

Hope this helps

Bill
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#421376 - 05/17/16 01:49 AM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: Bill in Dayton]
abacus Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Dayton
Thanks guys...

Can you please recommend some good websites to find midi files?


For Midi files try Midi Spot as they have a large number available.

Hope this helps

Bill
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#421383 - 05/17/16 07:26 AM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Bill, check your PM.

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#421384 - 05/17/16 08:07 AM Re: MIDI File vs. MP3 File.. What's the difference? [Re: Bill in Dayton]
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When playing back midi files on most keyboards you can easily mute tracks to give yourself some space to play in, although personally I've always edited the files beforehand to do this so I don't have to mess about during the performance.

I have to agree that most free midi files on the web are rather poor quality although they can give you a start point. Commercial files are usually hugely better.

Almost all midi files I've downloaded, commercial or not, have IMHO benefited greatly from some personal re-voice / remix / effects tweaking to suit my own kit.
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