get out of my head. (guess it's part of the aging process.) I've always loved this song, and it has some unique chord changes, which makes it somewhat difficult to play for an old codger than cannot read music. Here it is, mistakes and all.

https://app.box.com/s/zv3vi6csdlk2n1bp3fsfph5ua8afk6yk

As always, all constructive comments are welcomed,

Gary

Constructive criticism. Get a damn "REAL BOOK" and delete all of those favorite guitar tab chord sites on your favorites bar. Why you ask? Because they all suck!! I'll repeat that !! They all suck. I checked out the Chords to Georgia today and out of about 8 or 10 of those erroneous sites, they have a Fm where the F# diminished belongs. No wonder all your ears and intonation is screwed up. The turn arounds all suck too. None of those guys are Rory Hoffman. If Rory writes it, it will be correct. Those guys with all of their sites with guitar tab whatever ya call it doesn't know what half of you here know. If it has more than 4 chords they are the blind leading the blind. If a blind man leads a blind man they will both fall into a pit. If you need that translated PM me please. If you don't believe me ask Uncle Dave's friend the sax player and Randy "The Saxman" here on the forum about those terrible chord sites that's been having many of you play the wrong chords and deviating from the melody because it's impossible to sing the melody correct if you are laying down the wrong chords, impossible... I can't believe that Russ and Chas won't say anything about those dumbass sites too! I can't believe they haven't checked out one of those sites and that they don't know any better. It's killing my ears damn it. Geez.

Is that destructive, Oops! I mean constructive enough folks or would you like me to elaborate. We don't have anyone here who can buy all of you folks a Real Book and write it off as charity or something. Hell, if I had the money, I'd just buy you all one as a free gift for a year end bonus so that I could save my ears and my sanity. You don't have to jazz things up to play the correct chords. Like Hillary says, What the hell difference does it make? If it made a difference with just two of you I'd be happy. However, I think my destructive, Oops I mean my Constructive Criticism is falling on deaf ears. Wasting my breath, Chaff after the wind, all for nothing, wasting my time. Please someone help me out here and say, "Boo I believe you," I ordered a Real Book tonight. I'll never be great, but I want to take pride in what I do and do it the best way that I can possibly do it. It's not just about the admiration from all of the retirees and the money anymore. I just want to hold my head up and say I am striving to better myself at what I do because it is natural for a human to always try to do better. Geez ! !! "Now go take on tomorrow." If you guys don't make a real effort to post things here with the right chords, I'm gonna stop listening, I can't take the botched up crap anymore after 15 years.

Boo, I'll stop using those sites when you post something better. Those are the chords I Use to suit my vocal range. Obviously, they are transposed from the original.

C'mon, gimme something to work with!

Gary

Boo, you can download the Real book, actually three of them, from PSR Tutorial, if you feel like stealing. I didn't feel bad about doing that, because at one time I did buy them. I'm sure they are in a big box in the attic along with hundreds of other books.
The vast majority of us here are not accomplished enough to play all the chords written in the Real Book on many songs. Many here cannot read music.
And if we could manage to get six changes in a measure, our arrangers would not recognize a lot of them and make mistakes for us. We can make enough on our own, as you are kind enough to keep pointing out.
We all understand how good you are, and some of us wish we were that good. I could play a lot of the songs in those books, but really nobody in my audiences want to hear them, and if they did, they just want to hear a melody line they recognize and a beat they can dance to. How are the audiences in Colorado responding to your music?
It's one thing to sit at home and spend eight hours perfecting a song, then step-sequencing it note by note, then playing along or singing with it, but I'd rather be out working and entertaining people. I'm not saying do them wrong, and you are absolutely right about having the correct basic changes so you can sing the melody correctly, but I am saying too many complicated changes are beyond the capabilities of many of us, and are difficult to incorporate into the technology we're using.
We are mostly old men enjoying making music on our arrangers, and sharing it with people who appreciate it.
And, I would add that if our "botched up crap" offends you, don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave.
You don't have a problem dishing it out so . . .

How many times does I gots to speak it. For the was $35, those stupid sites can't compare to the Real Book by Hal Leonard. This is the one I have http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/the-ultimate-jazz-fake-book-c-edition-sheet-music/2889020?d=sem_SFD&gclid=Cj0KEQjw5MGxBRDiuZm2icXX2-sBEiQA619bq6u3F0PX-MTzkXyss7NfpksSUHU6d7OkNfDM73DtwBQaAhku8P8HAQ&mkwid=ssucO5adW%7Cpcrid%7C56629584022&popup=false

Never mind if you don't like Darn that dream or all the things you are. If you learn those two tunes and chord structure all the other tunes will be easier. There's some that are easier to start with. It should be useful and have tunes you do and you'll learn the right chords. Now it's $45. If it's free and the chords suck it ain't worth a crap is it? With all the other junk you have, this is the most valuable thing you can do to improve if you can't afford the School of Julliard etc..

https://app.box.com/s/yjffbj9zjusk58os3ies
Here's one, there are three there. Knock yourself out.

Here you go Gary, in your key, you really must try harder to keep Boo happy

Col

PS: Please don't forget the Bm6/G# in bar 20

Gary

Now I'm really trying (to be helpful), I've just knocked up a midi file for "More", see what you think.

Four bar intro and repeats from "More than you ever know"

Col

PS your voice seems to be stronger now you are not giving it so much work.

Sawick your midi comes up with VLC media but is says it can't access the code or something to that effect. Thus it won't play on my laptop. I'm a chord enthusiast but no high tech here. That bores me to death. It's kinda like the guys who can't play the right chords ! They're just not interested in that, and I'm not interested in high tech. So what, Who cares the audience doesn't know the difference. What difference does it make anyway? The tin ear audience can't hear it. Never mind they can't hear it themselves. ha ha

What I'm doing here is an awful, stinking, low down job. But ya know what? Somebody's got to grow a set and do it, or you guys will be making wrong chord changes all your lives and still bragging when you're 100, oh hell, I played the wrong chord changes all of my life and made lots of money doing it. That must make you real proud eh?

Gary,
I thought that was pretty decent. And your audiences are going to dance without a thought for chord structure. A real band could get all those extra chords in but it is impossible to do so on an arranger keyboard. Boo has to realize that we are singing and playing at the same time and that an arranger keyboard no matter what you paid for it could never interpret all those quick chord changes even if we practiced ad nauseum to get all the correct chords in place while we are singing or playing the melody.

I once made an effort to study and play jazz chords on guitar. Many are very complicated to finger and are used transitionally. You could never sing to most of them. We need to stick with minor 7ths major or minor ninths etc. Throw in the flatted 13ths or whatever and the arranger and the singer get lost. That's just the way it is. If any inadequacies in our equipment or playing abilities kept us from performing complicated arrangements in a more simplified way it would be a pretty sad state of affairs.

In church there are some modern praise songs that were written on piano and my guitar partner and I have to adapt them to guitar. Many of these have chord changes on every word. Sounds fine on piano but just does not work on guitar, especially when your trying to sing.

So Boo and all you other jazz guys cut us some slack or maybe record something with incredibly complicated chord arrangements and sing along with it while playing so we can see how it's done.

God Bless,
Don

WARNING!!!

Don't post any songs that are not played with the chords from the following list of charts.

https://www.halleonard.com/dealers/bin/MiscRealbksongfind2014.pdf



Regards,

Jerryghr

Thanks for the heads up Jerry. I was thinking about doing,

"Across the Alley From the Alamo". Maybe I better stick with "The Ballad of Davey Crockett" LOL!!!

God Bless,
Don

P.S. Anyone ever heard "Across the Alley From the Alamo"?

Donny, the jazz piano version of "More" I could listen to all day but with that level of expertise I would defer to the likes of Chas and Russ and any others who have the knowledge and the "CHOPS" to put it together. Thanks for posting that. It was a real enjoyable listen.

God Bless,
Don

No, but I'm sure Donny will be posting a video of it.

Jerryghr

That didn't take Donny "Cortana" Pesce very long.

3 minutes.

Nope dumped win10 a long time ago...just sayin;..

Fun..

I was actually fortunate enough to be at a small private party a few years back where Asleep At The Wheel was the band.

Ray(last name ???) told us that they started out as a dance band and expected that we all would dance...and dance we did...what a blast.

That was pretty incredible. Never heard of this song. Leave it to Donny, our resident music historian to dig this up. I heard the fellow on the mike say it was an old Mills Brothers tune. I consider myself more informed today than I was yesterday. Thanks Donny.

God Bless,
Don

"If you guys don't make a real effort to post things here with the right chords, I'm gonna stop listening.

Gary,

There's your cue. Start recording.

Jerry

Donny's videos should make Boo smile! Serious jazz by musicians with incredible skills.

God Bless,
Don

The rendition of More I was trying to emulate was the one by Montovani, which I've always thought was the best.



Boo, as stated above, I play this song in the chords that are suitable to my vocal range - not the original chords. That said, I have a couple dozen Hal Leonard books, and sitting down with them and manually transposing the chords to my vocal range would take several hours for each of the thousands of song I currently perform. That's nuts. And, many of the songs I've checked out on those sites that you condemned were identical in chord structure to the Leonard books. Granted, some didn't have dozens of passing chords that I could not play if I wanted to, but some of the sites did have them.

Next, you criticize our audiences, to which I take offense. By and large, our audiences do not consist of Peabody trained musicians, but for the most part they are highly educated individuals who reside at these facilities because they have outlived their bodies. The are quite intelligent and they know what kind of entertainment they enjoy. Over the years, I have become friends with many of them, I've performed at their wedding anniversaries, visited them when they've been hospitalized and attended their funerals.

Your arrogant (they suck)post did nothing to help anyone, especially me, the guy that has helped you so many times over these many years when your PC was screwed up, and spent hours on the telephone walking you through the technical problems you could not solve on your own. Your comments were anything but constructive criticism. I considered not posting the song on this forum for that very reason. When I get CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, such as that received from Uncle Dave when I posted Merry Christmas Darling many years ago, I was able to garner his information and transform the song from something awful to something that my audiences loved to hear every Christmas. What I get from my old friend Boo is "You suck at music and why did you post this horrible rendition that hurts my ears. It's not in the original chords and it's not jazz, so it sucks." Essentially, you're telling me and others that if we don't play the way you enjoy playing, we should not be entertainers and arranger keyboard players, especially if we make our livings doing so.

All the best from a jive-asssed musician/entertainer,

Gary

Damn, I'm getting old...spent more time listing to Brian play than I did watching his daughter shake her ***!

Especially liked the musical reference to "Moanin" at the end. Brian's GREAT!

Check out Les McCann's version of "Compared to What, with Eddie Harris. A real protest song, banned fro the air.

Les is from Lexington, and almost single handedly led the charge from R&B into Fusion, my favorite kind of music to play.

Russ

GOOD STUFF. ALL!


Russ

Ray Benson. Love Asleep At The Wheel.

Col, those are the same chords I used, I downloaded them from Chordie.com.

Thanks, and I'll try not to piss off Boo by not uploading any more songs to this site.

Gary

Thanks, Gary. I watched the whole thing...there's a monologue by Harris at the end that's hilarious!

the version I normally refer to is on from the 60's,. but this one it GREAT!


Thanks,


Russ

Those guys are really incredible musicians.

All the best,

Gary

When it becomes an obsession with getting chords exactly right...
Probably going off the deep end a bit.

I'm hoping Gary, and others, continue to post musical numbers on this forum as I learn from it.

"Ain't no Haint gonna run me off!"

Oh my! Excuses excuses, because you guys are to lazy, or to ignorant to learn to play correctly. I'm a sax player yet I can play more than one chord every four bars, and Oh my. Excuses excuses because you guys are to lazy, or to ignorant to learn to play correctly. I'm a damn sax player yet I can play more than one chord every four bars. Yes while singing. You guys sound like a bunch of pussies crying in your beer... Maybe you're stretched to far trying to drink too often, chasing too many women, playing too much football, too much pool hall, sitting on the beach or just not qualified up on top to do this. Hey some people will never swim the English Channel, and really don't possess what it takes to figure this out, eh? Ever think of that. Many of us could never build a jet plane. What can I say, but get the book that will help you learn the correct chords. You don't need to hit a chord with every note. Why in the hell do you change what I'm saying. KISS Keep it simple stupid but play the Right chords. After a while you'll be saying to yourself. Geez! Boo was Right it is just as easy to play the right chords as it it to play the stupid all ate up with the dumb-ass wrong chords, HUH? Those of you with a thinking brain may even say ,why didn't I listen to him 15 years ago when he first tried to explain this to us. Maybe I'd be a 3/4 ass musician by now instead of the same old half ass musician. eh?
I did this in 2001 when I got my first and only Korg i30 arranger. I was learning to play chords on the keyboard to tunes, I was learning to singing, (never sang before, I was a sax player remember) I didn't know the lyrics,I was singing the lyrics out of a "Real Book" or typing them out and was nervous as hell cause I never did this before and never owned a mini disc recorder in my life and was learning all of this at the same time. Some of my genuine friends claim that even being a Cajun, that I may be a genius who just can not make the hundreds of dollars that many here seem to have made for 50 years or more years.

How's about comparing those guys posted over the years with much better recording equipment than me, much better arrangers than me ( in their opinions) and been doing it for 50 years and I was doing it for maybe 3 or 4 months, always while trying to tear me up that I'm a sax player remember. Half of you probably do not understand or appreciate what I just said. That's OK I forgive you. Perhaps some here suffer ADD and could not read all that I said here and will never understand and to those of you in that condition, my sincere condolences.

The chords are out off the Real Book. I even know some better substitutions now with b9th etc. well here goes.
http://cajunenterprises.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/02-Track-2.mp3

Here's a PM that I received from a member, who doesn't want to ruffle feathers. I assume he's not a bricklayer who wrestler, played football and boxed Ha ha ha.

"I agree with you re ur post on the chord changes for "More"

I also totally agree with you in regards to an older Thread re: Assisted Living & Nursing Home gigs pay $$$.

In regards to ALF paying only $50 in your area...I am faced with the same exact challenge.... as long as there are other guys who are "fairly decent" willing to do this circuit for $50 they are not going to pay someone like You or me a clap dollar more even though we are much better on all fronts etc.

I am not going to get into a "pissing match" with the majority of "nice folks" in this Forum.... and I just wanted you to know that I'm on your side on both of these issues big time!

I don't care if Gary's version of more sucks because of wrong chords( according to (boo). I enjoyed it and to me that all that matters. You guys on this forum can be brutal to each other ,reminds me of a bunch of school girls. Gary and the rest of you , don't stop posting because somebody hates your "chords" . Some the best music out there came about because some dude played it different not wrong ......just different and to me that's what Gary did. I liked it . If boo didn't that's ok. It's just an opinion. Ok I'm done. Now back to my musical retired life.

The chords are out off the Real Book. I even know some better substitutions now with b9th etc. well here goes.
http://cajunenterprises.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/02-Track-2.mp3Boo,

What the Hell is this? It's a link to you singing to a midi file of Bewitched and has nothing to do with the chords to Mantovani's rendition of More.

Gary

Boo
You been taking your meds?
Eddie

Boo, we've been friends for a long time, but you are straining that relationship. There is no need to call us ignorant, lazy, a bunch of pussies, and tell us our music is crap, and at the same time reminding us of how talented and wonderful you are. I have played with you and you are an extremely good sax player.
I'm afraid circumstances in your life have left you with a bitter attitude, but I don't enjoy being the brunt of it.
I listened to your song as long as I could but the excessive reverb on your vocal kept it from being enjoyable.
Notice I didn't say you were stupid for using too much, or that your hearing must be gone for thinking it sounded good.
You would be much happier on a jazz forum somewhere, unless you just enjoy irritating people.
I understand your intentions are good. At least I hope so-starting to wonder. But enough is enough. You do it your way, we'll do it our way.
As far as playing nursing homes, they pay $30. here, if anything, so I don't do them. I'd rather do Veteran's Home and true charities for free.

1,2,Cha Cha Cha..

Yeah, that's helpful.

Gary I started this by trying to encourage Guitarpic the importance of using the right chords and where to find them. Now you and My buddy DonM took every word personal which no one should ever do. Next time If I run into either one of you, you both can spit in my face and I won't take it personal. I only recorded a dozen or so tunes back in 2000-2001 or whenever. Trying to type lyrics, how to form the chords on the new arranger, work a recorder that was super high tech to me, amplifiers that I never knew anything about including Mics and the list goes on and on, a little box for a re-verb unit , heck the wires were driving me crazy. I gave up on recording anything. I said to myself, SELF, if I'm ever going to get out of the house and gig somewhere I don't need to waste my time recording. I need to learn songs.

All I did back in the day playing sax, was doing backup doo-wop with my voice. So I had my work set out for me. Uncle Dave I rem ember sent me the chords to "Tangerine" All of you helped me get started.

All of those tunes on my site I did with styles with the exception of my midis that DNJ shared with me. That's Georgia and Born To Lose, Oh and I can 't stop loving you, but I can do them with styles too, but the midi's are great. On Bewitched, that is a style that my Australian friend Pete Charlesworth sent to me back in 2000 or whenever when I got my keyboard. Pete also was the one that told me that the Korg i30 was miles ahead of anything else at the time for sequencing, because it was the only one he knew of at the time that copied and pasted easily, so as to Sequence a bunch of tunes that I could play my sax with. I got burned out on playing more in the early 70s when I learned Stan Getz tunes like Girl From Ipanema, Desifinado, Wave, Our Day Will Come etc and tunes more in the Jazz Genre. It seems that every other tune the audience wanted us to play more in the early 70's. The whole band dreaded it , Ha ha. Sorry y'all hate me. From now on everything every one does is great. I applaud all of the members right now for anything they post even after I'm gone. What difference does it make anyway. Who cares? Right, LOL. I'm sorry for insulting any and everyone, truly !!

Boo, criticize all you want, just don't call us names because we don't do what you do. Wish I COULD do that, but I'm too old to learn and don't want to anyway.
I don't get pissed off very often and I'm sorry I lost it.

I must have gotten of track because I was speaking about GuitarPIC. He even commented that a true blue musician who expects one to use the right chords is a bit over board. He needs to take up twiddly winks or Jacks or start listening to his sister and or brother who have degrees in music because he needs help bad. I'll repeat, he needs help very, very bad, because with an attitude like that he will be guessing the rest of his life why real musicians dodge him and won't play with him. You and Gary 95% of the time if not on the money chord wise are close with few exceptions. I'd work with you anywhere anytime. Hell you're the best guitar picker I know and you don't even have a guitar, friend. And Gary is a real sweetheart. Oops I mean a real dear friend. I never saw Gary get mad before and I fuss at him about sailing by him self and he'd better treat Carol right and not to drink too much kickacrap, oops I mean kickappo juice etc and he's never gotten mae. Man I''m a Jazz enthusiastic and I've had trombone players chew on me for playing a note (a Note) wrong in the melody. I had been playing that note wrong for 5 years' I listened and after playing the note he told me to play for sometime, I couldn't understand how I got started playing that lousy note.
The same thing with the Chords to Moonlight in Vermont. Ask Russ about the chords to that tune in the bridge that are substituted from the original. No true Jazz musician today would even consider playing it the original way Gershwin wrote or who ever. Every tune that a song writer does can be improved by a real Jazz musician who understands the concept of chord Theory.

Actually, why not learn few more chords to the song? Nothing wrong with that. It doesn't even matter if audience will acknowledge it or not. We owe it the song and to music in general. Why not do it the best you can, and not just do it .

And we can't measure it how much audience likes it or not.. Most of them would say it's nice even if you do it 10X worse. So, do the best you can. It feels really good once you get it right.

Diki reincarnated?

I just got off of the phone with my Attorney and he told me to just say I was leaving this post alone after this notice and he said it would just disappear. So I'm taking his advice. Goodbye for this post.

Boo you do know that is a problem you have introduced by installing VLC on your laptop and letting it handle all midi files. Nobody else has that problem. Be careful what you install and don't blame others for something you did yourself. Windows Media Player worked fine for me.

Don't want to further rock the boat, but I feel that I need to explain a little about how Boo and other jazz soloists think. These folks live and die according to the structure they must use when soloing...a structure set by the rhythm section. A missing dminished chord or a chord played with incorrect notes, for example, necessitates restructuring the line, which is often being played at blinding speed. Monotonic section players live and die as a function of structure. They "run the chords" and when the chords are wrong, everything goes south. Structure must be perfect and understood by ALL participants when "trading fours", for instance.


Horn players; particularly jazz horn players are solely dependent on the section and the structure...can't do without the right structure.

This particularlty affects GOOD horn players and, believe me, Boo is a GREAT horn player. I've known lots of jazz horn players. Maybe it's the constant pressure on the cranium, but;' at first, you think they're dancing a "different tune".

Their focus is so singular that they sometime rub people wrong. But like Boo, most are really intelligent, funny folks.

Sitting in the same room with Boo would be a hoot.

He wears his heart on his sleeve and loves his craft.

He's welcome on my bandstand anytime.


Russ

Doesn't matter what you would play, if you install crap software that is totally in your court.