I guess I'll leave this forum. I settled in on an MOFX8, my DP-24 and some studio speakers. Going down an arranger-less journey for a bit

good luck don't be a stranger let us know how your doing with the Moxf8 project. Are you gonna gig with that setup also? or?..

lol thanks I guess

Not playing out for now - wife wants me home at night Just mixing it up for a change.

Well you certainly have the right tools to make great music have fun!

let me know how you like the DP 24 I have a DP 32 starting to think about how I want to use it . Ron

I purchased A MOXF8 also a couple of months ago. Mainly for piano sounds. Not to bad a learning curve. Overall I have been happy with it. Ron

Hi Zuki...certainly no reason to leave this forum.

The MOFX8 has some great arps and percussion tracks so you aren't that far away from an arranger.

If you wish, please share some of your recordings here or privately.

Congrats on the MOFX8...it's a very nice piece of kit. I love the action...one of the best feeling 88's out there.

Ian

I just got a T 5 so I am going to see if the Piano works well on that if not I will look at the MOXF8 or new p255 it would be nice to have a workstation along with the arrang best of both worlds I am waiting on a replacement T5 the one one I had developed many problems Yamaha is replacing it good thing I kept my T 4 i got a very busy calendar the next few Mo and if I sold the T 4 prior to getting the t 5 I would of been in a big pickle makes me want to keep the T4 just in case of any future problems the new Roland workstation looks cools as well .

No Zuki, you can stay here. There are a couple of experts here already that don't really play arrangers. At least you LIKE them!
You probably don't play football any more, but I'll bet you watch the Super Bowl!

Jim, don't run off - we still love you.

Gary

Thanks everyone. I was just kidding and not looking to draw attention to myself

But...that board is amazing. I just want to ace this thing and THEN add the arranger. Let the imagination flow....

Jim ... what happened to the PA900 ?

Something like the BK-7m with that MOXF8 (that's what you meant, isn't it? Not MOFX, right?) would probably give you all that you are likely to miss from an arranger along with all that is best from the MOXF8 without having to haul another keyboard around.

the More I listen to the Demos on the MOXF 8 the more Impressed I am I going to go play one for myself it is very interesting and priced very well RJ

I had the opportunity to play an MOX8 while in the Florida Keys - the piano sounds were absolutely awesome - probably the best of any synth I've heard. Of course, it helps if the guy playing the keyboard knows how to play the piano, which I DO NOT! When the guy that owned it played a bit of Floyd Kramer's Last Date, it was the best of the best performances - he was pretty amazing.

That said, I need more than that from my arranger, and while that MOX8 sounded great, it was a pain to work through the settings to get it ready for the next song. Lots of buttons to push, and his dead time between songs approached 3 minutes when things were gelling. I like the ease of navigation I now enjoy with the S-950 and all the predecessor arrangers I've owned in the past.

Good Luck,

Gary

if I where to get one I would not use it for songs I would use T4 T5 for tht I would use for sounds Piano, organ layers ambiant type of fills looping stuff that T 5 does not do but wait maybe T5 does I am waiting my new T5 the other one had some problems so I will spen time with that unit before looking at anything else althow I am going to go play one just to see.

I think a lot of the more forward looking arranger players here have lamented the lack of arpeggiator features on arrangers (the two are quite different). Until someone finally melds the two together, neither does the job of BOTH.

The thing about arps on a WS that differs the most from an arranger is that EVERYTHING must be cued a bar in advance. We all have got very used to the system that, when we ask for a fill, we get it IMMEDIATELY, in time with the music. Ask for it on beat 2 or 3, you get it to drop in on beats 2 or 3.

But workstation arp players, AFAIK, even if you have an arp fill (not a whole lot of fills in most of the factory content!), if you ask for it on beat 2 or 3, you either get nothing until beat one of the NEXT bar, or you get the arp playing the second you ask for it, but it starts on the one of the fill, whether the arp player plays it on the one or not...

In a way, it's like Intro and Ending divisions, or calling Variations without a fill... fine if you call them up in advance. Not so fine if you want them in the middle of a bar!

Adding this one simple element (starting an arp on the beat that it is asked for, in the middle, that is) to WS arp players would allow us to use them as arrangers fairly easily, especially if these one-shot arps (that's what a fill is) are allowed to have a destination arp so that a particular fill/arp goes to another arp which is the next Variation in arranger-speak.

Until they do, though, you have to change HOW you play quite considerably.

I don't know about other brands, Diki, but with Yamaha you have an option to either have the fill come instantly, or have it wait till the next beat.

Gary

Same with Korg

You're right Diki. It's a bit daunting using arps as fills, but it sure is great when correct. Can't wait to write my own edits. So much opportunity and soooo fantastic a sound base. 4 splits will be interesting

Dave, I did not know that. How do I change that setting on the Pa900?

Graham,
I wish I knew off the top of my head, but I know it's a choice to select either "next measure" or "real time" .... somewhere. My kb isn't set up right now .... I'll try to get to it for you.
UD

You have the option of arps coming in the second you ask for them, but the BIG difference is, they ALWAYS start on the 'one'.

Ask for an arp on the 'two' or the 'three', it will start alright... but it will start on the 'one' no matter when you ask for it. So the only way you don't mess up the timing is to always set it for waiting until the 'one' of the next bar.

UD, you talking about arrangers or WS's? AFAIK, Korg WS's have the same issues.

I read that there is a setting to make the arp trigger on the 2nd beat - but it doesn't say what happens

Dig in and enjoy your new instrument, Zuki. There is no "perfect" keyboard, except the one that is "perfect" for your needs.

The MOXF8 is one wickedly deluxe keyboard.

I'm really looking forward to hearing your music.

Ian

UD, I looked and looked through the manual and the keyboard and cannot see it, but then my wife tells me I can't see something unless it's right in front of my nose.

You going techno on us, Zuki? LOL

That I GOTS to hear! (I wish more would post music from the 21st century here, honestly!)

Hope springs eternal (in the human breast).

Ian

Some of it is quite cool... Call me a pop addict, but I can't help myself from smiling and bouncing along to 'Get Lucky' (Daft Punk), I love Bruno Mars (looking forward to his Superbowl stint), Katy Perry's 'Roar', even Robin Thicke's 'Blurred Lines'..!

Sure, I got a deep side, but I don't let that stop me from enjoying something simple, silly, and pure ear candy! Just don't watch the videos, simply LISTEN and most of this stupid kid culture stuff melts away.

Don't ever grow up! The NH's can do just fine without me, LOL

I'm afraid my only experience with NH's will be as a resident...hopefully not for many, many years. It takes a very special skill (and personality) to play those places successfully...I don't have it. A man's gotta know his limitations.

I'm on a Country Music kick this month...my buddy, Johnny, with the new Tyros5-76 is a terrific Country piano player...I'm in total "observing and learning" mode when I'm at his place.

It's the old Country tunes I really like playing...most always "less is more", or as my friend Johnny says, "Sprinkle a little pie-anna over the top!"

The Tyros5 (and Tyros4) has a wicked pedal steel...we must have done a hundred variations on "Sleepwalk", plus we played every pissin' and moanin' Country tune we could think of. Ha Ha!

Not a lot of really pro arranger players nearby, so it's great to have someone in the same area with much the same musical interests and playing the same type keyboard. It's too bad that more of us here on SZ don't live within a reasonable distance of each other.

I figure I'm never too old to learn and never too old to be young.


Ian

Or, as Red Green (from Canada's Red Green TV show) says, "If I can't look young...at least I can be immature."

Diki, I have to say it again...I agree! over the years, there have been happy, catchy tunes that were PLAIN FUN! Not much structure or even depth of meaning, but GREAT FUN!

Even the Grammy's as a whole. Some have said they wouldn't(or didn't) bother watching, but among the crap, a few jewels. And, lets face it, that is state of the art pop these days.

The instrument Stevie Wonder played at first is interesting. Our friend Rory Hoffman was a demo guy for them for a while.

And, given that much emphasis on the recognition of an outstanding music educator, while stiffing our friend Dave, was a bright spot for sure.

I come across as so serious, sometimes, but would probably be banned for awhile if I told you how much silly, plain FUN I've had over the years playing!


R.

So true, Russ. I've always said that the day I stop enjoying what I do is the day I'll pack it in. Haven't been even close to that yet.

This little guy is awesome...and, he looks like he's really into it. A prodigy nonetheless.

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Ian ... thanks for that ... JAZZ LIVES !!! ...amazing !!!