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#365113 - 04/17/13 04:13 PM Ketron midjaypro
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Here is the first good demo I found on the midjaypro http://www.suoniestrumenti.it/blog/units...ianoforti_stage


Go to the bottom and see the demos

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#365115 - 04/17/13 04:22 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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#365120 - 04/17/13 06:43 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Thank you for posting the links angel1000. It looks a bit smaller than the Midjay ... I'd like to see the dimensions and the weight. Any word on an availability date and estimated price?
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#365121 - 04/17/13 07:05 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Jerry T]
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Hey Jerry T, I can sense you're itching for one. I was told that the sd1000 is ready to go, and no date yet on the midjaypro. The original Midjay was $1895 in Canada. They know they are not going to sell millions, I would say expect nothing under 2 grand.

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#365127 - 04/17/13 11:22 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Availability estimated: September.
Price in Europe: between 1800 and 2000 euros.

I liked the bossa style of the second demo, but the first one was nothing to write home about.
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#365128 - 04/17/13 11:25 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Dreamer]
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On the Ketron website they have posted a few pictures and are getting ready to post videos too.
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#365167 - 04/18/13 09:39 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Jerry T]
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... Just saw the Midjay Pro specs on the Ketron site ... the Pro may be just a little bit bigger than the Plus ...
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Jerry

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#365231 - 04/19/13 04:46 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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I am excited about the Audio drums on the MidJay. Suddenly the midjay has much more appeal as a module.

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#365263 - 04/19/13 01:51 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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TWD, or anyone

can you explain what is changing chords?
i thought MidJay was NOT an arranger.

What sounds are coming from where in these videos?

could any controller be attached to MIDIPRO?

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#365267 - 04/19/13 04:13 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Yes any controller. It has on board styles and sounds

for example you could use it with:

1) midi keyboard (can be split for chords on left, voice on right
2) more than one midi keyboard (upper/lower)
3) midi accordion
4) midi guitar
5) midi bass pedals (for changing chords) whilst singing/playing non midi instrument

The main problem with MidJay is the lack of quick access buttons often associated with arranhgers (style banks, voice groups etc)- but the new MidJay Pro has a nice looking touch screen which may make it easier to use than current MidJay.

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#365269 - 04/19/13 04:30 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Tonewheeldude]
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I've been told it will also have midi sync, in which you can control it with a chord template for example, something you can not do with Audya.

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#365271 - 04/19/13 04:34 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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I want to know if its an arranger, if it can change chords with controller

I mean if you could change chords with midi bass pedals why not with keyboard
And if so ,,,,, it's an alternative to the Audya 4. Way smaller. Lighter and cheaper

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#365277 - 04/19/13 06:13 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: leezone]
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Hey leezone, not only is it an arranger, I am tempted to believe because it has midi sync you can change the chords with a midi program in sync with the styles. You saw from the video the keyboard player was changing variations and adding fills on the touch screen. I was told by Marcello Colo,person who worked on the audio drums, he thinks the midjay is superior in some ways to the audya, eg, styles which are much more flexible, and real audio slices on drums. He also told me for now only midi guitar, but maybe can change in the future.

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#365278 - 04/19/13 06:17 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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speculation for now, if I was to buy a midjay, it would have everything that the sd1000 has, including the percussion loops, also for my case, I will not need a laptop on sight, everything is in the midjay. I hope they don't price it too high $2000-$2500.

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#365289 - 04/20/13 12:30 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Hi guys...
So...
Before a year when Ketron presented the new MidijaPro it is was without Audio Drums etc..
Presented from Ketron as a Multimedia player, and Arranger style player..
Now we know that MidiJayPro can play Audio and maybe User Audio Drums.
I think it is very good...
I asked Marcello with who way we will have User Audio Drums in MidjayPro and the responce is it:
"User audio drum is different on Midjay pro."
It mean that probably we will have a new file USER AUDIO DRUMS...
If it is (monolithik file like Preset Audio Drums) it will be EXELENT!!!
A power point of MidjayPro is the SSD disk, and it is very good because will we have:
1) Too fast Boot Time,
2) Too fast change of Styles with audio drums
3) Play audio styles without desynchronisation and gilch of Hard Dis
c.


Of course new OS with very good graphics, Touch screen and more...
New Effects (Amp simulator. Compressor. Filter. 48 EFX Insert. 16 programmable Insert Chains.)
The Bossa style that play Marco in demo here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DFaufzxwBw, the Audio Drums is from Audya..

So... I think the MidijayPro is a small Audya,(because can play Audio Styles) and the Prophet of new Audya!!! smile wink


Edited by Sokratis 1974 (04/20/13 12:34 AM)
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#365299 - 04/20/13 02:31 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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What is the name of the Bossa style played in the demo? It doesn't seem the Jazz Bossa...
Anyway, I really hope that this Midjay Pro delivers what it promises, because the Audya is way overpriced and technologically is obsolete (the processor isn't powerful enough and the hard disk is too slow and this combination explains many of the problems reported by some users)..
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#365303 - 04/20/13 05:40 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Dreamer]
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well said Sokratis

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#365305 - 04/20/13 06:05 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Dreamer]
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Originally Posted By: Dreamer
What is the name of the Bossa style played in the demo? It doesn't seem the Jazz Bossa...
Anyway, I really hope that this Midjay Pro delivers what it promises, because the Audya is way overpriced and technologically is obsolete (the processor isn't powerful enough and the hard disk is too slow and this combination explains many of the problems reported by some users)..

The name of Bossa is (Fast_Bossa)
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#365307 - 04/20/13 06:49 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Thank you, Sokratis.
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#365360 - 04/21/13 02:30 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Originally Posted By: leezone
I want to know if its an arranger, if it can change chords with controller

I mean if you could change chords with midi bass pedals why not with keyboard
And if so ,,,,, it's an alternative to the Audya 4. Way smaller. Lighter and cheaper


you have been able to do this will all midjay versions leezone.

An alternative to an Audya. Not sure yet

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#365363 - 04/21/13 07:16 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Just my two cents TWD, the audya, in its present configuration, is at the late end of its product cycle. Whoever had to buy it has bought it by now. The midjay will be their most technologically advanced machine. What it is missing, from what I've been told, is an abundant amount of styles, and for now no audio guitars, but with the intention of having it further down the line.

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#365401 - 04/21/13 03:46 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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I'm still confused as to exactly how it handles chord changes

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#365403 - 04/21/13 04:33 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: leezone]
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Leezone, I don't know how technical you want the answer, but, same way as the ms40, xd3,sd3,audya4, etc. why do you find it so strange for the midjpro to accept chord changes. How else are you going to play the styles. An arranger has to have a mechanism to receive and change chords.

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#365405 - 04/21/13 04:47 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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Leezone for example on the midjay,to control with a ketron keyoard, set the midjay to MIDI Transmit Global value to 1.Both the styles (left) and the solos (right) will be controlled by a single channel.
Any other keyboard reception/transmisiion channel is preferrably channel 1

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#365415 - 04/21/13 11:21 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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I had a Midjay (the first version that came out) and it had internal styles and could read all those from the SD1, X1, etc.
It red chord changes, but not complex ones (like rootless chords or chords like min7b5, but this was a shortcoming of the SD1 as well).
I hope that the Midjay Pro can read chords the same way as the Audya does and -above all- that it has real audio drums inside (maybe not the audio guitars because I am afraid that this would rise the price too much and, moreover, nobody would buy an Audya 4 anymore). I would be happy just with the drums.
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#365421 - 04/22/13 03:15 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Dreamer]
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Hey dreamer, I think your wishes will come true. If the drums were not audio you would again have a product where the sd1000 would be the same as the midjaypro, as was the isuue with the midjay+, sd2, and the sd5.

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#365424 - 04/22/13 06:17 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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angel1000

i was under inpression the midjays were NOT arrangers,
that they were more like band in a box, where you predefine your chords in advance,
thought midjay was more a mp3, karaoke, midi, player with LIMITED arranger capabilities...

so the only real advantage of Audya is the live guitars i guess?
as it seems this new midjay has audio drums....

AJ, maybe you can elaborate?

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#365426 - 04/22/13 06:47 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: leezone]
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BIAB is an arranger, just not a real time arranger like the midjpro. Think of it as any ketron keyboard without the keys and with extra multimedia capabilities.

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#365445 - 04/22/13 10:56 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: leezone]
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Originally Posted By: leezone
angel1000

i was under inpression the midjays were NOT arrangers,
that they were more like band in a box, where you predefine your chords in advance,
thought midjay was more a mp3, karaoke, midi, player with LIMITED arranger capabilities...

so the only real advantage of Audya is the live guitars i guess?
as it seems this new midjay has audio drums....

AJ, maybe you can elaborate?


As already mentioned, Midjays have always had arranger capabilities, you just need a midi controller, wether this is a keyboard, guitar or accordion. The limit is only in the user interface.

For example, on a midjay you can select and play a style just as you can with your audya. But...there are no buttons to quickly select a stye, intro 1, 2, 3, ending 1, 2, 3 arranger a, b, c, d breaks etc.
on previous midjays you had to scroll through a list of styles or sounds - no quick selection buttons.

and so on.

But..the new MidJay Pro has a colour touch screen so perhaps it will be easier to use in real time. We will have to wait and see.

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#365448 - 04/22/13 11:49 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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ok so midjay doesnt have all the buttons, fills, intro, end, break,

BUT i assume you can map these functions to your controller, to the pads and buttons

with my Audya4 now, i don't ever touch A4, except to change style, ,

i start, stop, intro, change var, speed up, slow down, end, change sounds, all from my AKAI controller

i guess you can do this with midjay too?


my question now what else does the midjay lack when comparing to Audya 4?

what are the MAIN differences?
what do i give up with midijay pro? audio guitars?
anything else?

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#365453 - 04/22/13 02:55 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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we wont know fully until it is released so its pretty impossible to say what the difference will be.....just have to wait and see.

the current midjay is a multimedia player that has the ability to play styles that can be controlled via a keyboard (play sounds and change chords). it was never intended to be a replacement for Ketrons arranger modules.

wether the MidJay Pro will have more performance features we will just have to be patient.

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#365463 - 04/22/13 04:31 PM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Tonewheeldude]
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Hi tonewheeledude, as you stated never meant to be a replacement but is there anything than an sd3 can do that a midjay+ can't.


Edited by angel1000 (04/22/13 04:32 PM)

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#365467 - 04/23/13 01:11 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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first of all, i forgot, the midjay does have arranger a, b, c, d, intro and break butotn- sorry.

Basically many of the main features found on an sd3 are on the midjay+, but it is limited only in that the unit is primarily a multimedia player. That means the emphasis is on playback and editing of Midi, Mp3 , Wav and SFX files and lyrics. However, styles and sounds are there but not so easy to bring up in real time. Sounds can be edited in the same way as an SD3 (4 voice editing). Style editing is very limited though and you are essentially stuck with the factory styles.

An arranger is designed for real time use and the SD3/Audya 4 have all the small things that make using an arranger for different types of people possible - virtually every performer uses these instruments in a different way and Ketron have built in almost every possible permeation of use on the arrangers.

For live use, you generally need quick access to levels, styles, sounds etc. This cannot be achieved in the same way on a midjay+...but, if you operate entirely from a master controller or pre-program your entire setlist - as some do, then you could get away with a midjay. You just have to accept that it will be limited in operation.

I suggest you scan through the owners manuals of the various instruments to see what is possible and what is not.

http://www.ketron.it/index.php?option=co...20&lang=eng

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#365475 - 04/23/13 05:01 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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and now i want to know if it will read Audya styles,
and what will or will not play

ie.
will audio drums play if i load all Audya Audio drums?
will all other tracks play like in Audya?
since no Audio guitars, i guess then we'd have to replace with something else

and why do we have to wait till it's released?

hasn't someone at the show already checked it out?

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#365479 - 04/23/13 05:50 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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I doubt it will play your Audyas tyles as they are protected and will only play in your Audya.

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#366349 - 05/16/13 07:56 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: Tonewheeldude]
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just received an email from Ketron, the sd1000 is on the market. Calling my Canadian dealer to see the price.

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#366352 - 05/16/13 09:19 AM Re: Ketron midjaypro [Re: angel1000]
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I use the Midjay Plus and I really like it. The only drawback, for me, is the fact that it is not compatible with styles from other Ketron boards or modules only the SD5 that has the same styles. I also have the SD1 Plus, and the styles are not compatible and midi files that are edited on the Plus are not playable on the SD1 Plus and vice versa. Dreamer noted that the first Midjay did play SD1 and X1 styles and Im hopeful that the Pro will eliminate the need to edit styles, registrations and midi files twice for use with the SD1.
Also, I see that the Pro will display info from several formats and perhaps that will allow for the display of music scores as well as lyrics.
Ciao,
Jerry

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