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#348774 - 08/09/12 03:17 PM
Re: Listen to what the Kronos and Karma can do....
[Re: kbrkr]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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I wish both Yamaha and Korg would incorporate Karma into an arranger keyboard in ADDITION to using regular styles. That would be Killer and a true composing dream machine. Imagine coming up with a nice Karma scene and then saving it as a standard style and then using that style with embellished Karma effects and then saving that???? WOW!
Well Al, it appears, according to recent posts, that Karma isn't headed for use in arranger keyboards anytime soon, if at all. At least you already own the Kronos, which you can midi to your Tyros4, and add Karma to the styles in that manner...have you tried it? I do hope that both Yamaha and Korg take a serious look at adding Karma to their arranger line...I think it's slicker than frog hair! Ian
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#348778 - 08/09/12 04:48 PM
Re: Listen to what the Kronos and Karma can do....
[Re: kbrkr]
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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I played a Kronos today for the first time. Spent about an hour or so on it, running through patches and combis.
Sweet!
But as different from an arranger as chalk from cheese. An utterly different performance paradigm, and in all honesty, an utterly unfriendly live layout.
Stop Start buttons (there are 3 separate ones) are tiny, and nestled in with other tiny buttons, the main Karma Start/Stop is WAY away from the keyboard, hidden in with some other Karma controls. The Scene Change buttons (about the closest thing to what we might call Variations) are again, well away from your hands, over the top of the sliders and mute buttons. All in all, a potential minefield of musical mishap!
Now I know, you can put much of these onto footpedals, but there is no multi-pedal input, so to do much with your feet, you probably need to buy a dedicated MIDI multi-pedal, and spend a lot of time head-scratching. So, for me, a 5/10 for live ease of use.
The touchscreen is big, but densely packed with information, making hitting things with your fingers in the heat of performance quite tricky. There IS a nice 'Set List' feature, which puts 16 Combis or Sounds on the screen at one time, MUCH easier to hit correctly, but past this, you have your work cut out. It's a bigger screen than my G70, but info is packed MUCH tighter (the main font is hard for me to read even with my reading glasses on!).
Sonically, outstanding, and the factory Combis are inspiring and quite fresh, organ, piano and rhodes/wurli are as good as I have heard them (although I'll still put my G70's main piano up against it any day!), in the limited time I've had with it so far, no real dogs stand out.
All in all, something well worth a trip to your nearest Korg store (I'm in a very small market, so most of you shouldn't have trouble finding one nearby).
BUT... an arranger it is NOT!
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#348780 - 08/09/12 05:18 PM
Re: Listen to what the Kronos and Karma can do....
[Re: Diki]
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Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 3354
Loc: The World
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I played a Kronos today for the first time. Spent about an hour or so on it, running through patches and combis.
Sweet!
But as different from an arranger as chalk from cheese. An utterly different performance paradigm, and in all honesty, an utterly unfriendly live layout.
Stop Start buttons (there are 3 separate ones) are tiny, and nestled in with other tiny buttons, the main Karma Start/Stop is WAY away from the keyboard, hidden in with some other Karma controls. The Scene Change buttons (about the closest thing to what we might call Variations) are again, well away from your hands, over the top of the sliders and mute buttons. All in all, a potential minefield of musical mishap!
Now I know, you can put much of these onto footpedals, but there is no multi-pedal input, so to do much with your feet, you probably need to buy a dedicated MIDI multi-pedal, and spend a lot of time head-scratching. So, for me, a 5/10 for live ease of use.
The touchscreen is big, but densely packed with information, making hitting things with your fingers in the heat of performance quite tricky. There IS a nice 'Set List' feature, which puts 16 Combis or Sounds on the screen at one time, MUCH easier to hit correctly, but past this, you have your work cut out. It's a bigger screen than my G70, but info is packed MUCH tighter (the main font is hard for me to read even with my reading glasses on!).
Sonically, outstanding, and the factory Combis are inspiring and quite fresh, organ, piano and rhodes/wurli are as good as I have heard them (although I'll still put my G70's main piano up against it any day!), in the limited time I've had with it so far, no real dogs stand out.
All in all, something well worth a trip to your nearest Korg store (I'm in a very small market, so most of you shouldn't have trouble finding one nearby).
BUT... an arranger it is NOT! Diki, for all those reasons and a couple more, I dissed mine not long after getting it...had it for about 4 weeks.
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