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#32985 - 11/02/05 03:41 AM What about XD3 upgrade????????
Flavie Offline
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Registered: 10/11/01
Posts: 102
Loc: Ontario - Canada
It seems that Ketron simply ignores XD3/9 users!!!! We still use software version 2.1A after more that three years from the first release of the XD series!!!
Well.... thank you very much Ketron for a ¨software version stil full of bugs!!! I don´t realy need any more new functions that are genetrating exrta problems for the keyboard´s processor, but only a reliable performance!
Good bye!
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#32986 - 11/02/05 10:13 AM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
Giovanni Offline
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Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 489
Loc: Norwich Norfolk England
Please tell us more about these bugs in the original xd3 software program .

I keep being told by accordionist's that this is the expander module to use with my Concerto digital accordion .

But I'm a bit concerned to change from Technics were I've experienced no problems

regards ............Giovanni
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#32987 - 11/06/05 05:08 PM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
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Registered: 11/01/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Melbourne
Man I was thinking of getting the Vega and heard it is the same as the XD9, does that mean the Vega has problems with the operating system.

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#32988 - 11/23/05 10:14 AM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
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Registered: 10/11/01
Posts: 102
Loc: Ontario - Canada
Hey guys!
Sorry for the late reply! My opinnion about Ketron XD series is that the software still is in a Beta version. If I am wrong than it should be at most version nr. 1.5 . If you use styles, the main probelm is the poliphony wich when is full the bass notes are the first to be droped!!!!
2 - the 'online efect' section does not work, as well as the piano sustain button.
3 - The split point almost always jumps to undesirable areas when switching between song and style play.
4 - When recording songs, the result is a recording that does not have the original dinamic of the actual performance.
My guess is that Ketron simply abandoned the XD/Vega series because as you can see there is only OS version 2.1A availlable and there is stil a lot to fix. Above I have only specified some of the problems you encounter when using styles, but when you use song play there is a real pain!!!! I have also a long list of bugs when using midifiles as I mostly do. I perform every day 5 hours a day and there is almost every week at least once when my XD3 freezes and shows the 'in/out disk error' message.
Í am still using XD3 because there is no other good sound module availlable on the market.
I have also heard that Midijay has exactly the same problem with the hard drive so there is no point for me to buy one.
I wish you guys good luck, as I really like the sound of Ketron but the software really sucks!!!
All the best!!

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#32989 - 11/25/05 01:47 PM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
davor Offline
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Registered: 11/29/04
Posts: 7
Loc: Zagreb,Croatia
I totally agree with Flavie.I have 2.1a operating system on my XD3 and it sucks.I'm experiencing almost all problems written above ,plus I have harmony on all 4 voices although the software allows harmonisation on only one voice in every single program,according to the user manual.XD users don't need new functions,we need software that works exactly as written in the user manual and is 100% reliable.Ketron,hire somebody to write the software for you,if you can't.Please!?!?!

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#32990 - 11/28/05 12:44 PM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
Michael Kehoe Offline
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Registered: 08/30/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Salinas,California USA
Hello Fellow XD-3 Players!!
I was beginging to think I was the only one having trouble with the XD-3.
I'm fairly new with this machine, and been working for over 10years as a single act. At this point, I wouldn't take this machine on stage with me. I can't get it to do anything that I would expect it to do as far as "live jobs" are concerned.
We as players, have to get Ketron to step up and make this a usable piece of Equipment. Styles/rhythms aren't good, sounds are poor.
I'm talking with Jay to put in the H/D up-grade and adding extra styles. That's about $800!! Do I put money like that into a machine that can't do the job??!!
I'll keep watching to see how this works out for us.

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#32991 - 11/28/05 11:47 PM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
bo Offline
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Registered: 01/24/03
Posts: 18
Loc: Hilo, Hawaii
I'm also a xd3 user and like the way it sounds, but I would never take it to a gig because it froze or turned off on me so many times.(how embarrassing) it's only good for home use. I wish they would make it more stable and reliable to use in live situation. I'm using 2.1 also.

I think I'm the only one in Hawaii using this machine.

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#32992 - 12/03/05 09:03 AM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
Flavie Offline
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Registered: 10/11/01
Posts: 102
Loc: Ontario - Canada
Thank You so very much to all of you guys!!!
For so long time, I was the only one to tell Ketron what a bad job they did with the XD series!!!
It does feels so good to have such a strong back up like you guys, and maybe Ketron will listen to our needs and fix they're own errors.
I was almost about to loose my hope !!!
Thank you very much one more time!!! This is the way to fight!!
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#32993 - 12/04/05 04:49 PM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3583
Loc: Middletown, DE
Flavie,

Could you please coordinate and get to me ONE list with the 'buggs' you and others are experiencing with the XD3 module? I need this ASAP to start working on a resolution/software update (maybe 2.3 as we won't introduce any new functions ~ simply fix what could be broken).

Thanks.

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#32994 - 12/05/05 09:42 AM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
Flavie Offline
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Registered: 10/11/01
Posts: 102
Loc: Ontario - Canada
Hi AJ!

You have previousely asked me several times to post such list. I will do it once again hoping that you wil finally fix the problems this time. I am currently working on a cruise ship and I will be back with the list ASAP.
Regards!
Fla.

Could you please coordinate and get to me ONE list with the 'buggs' you and others are experiencing with the XD3 module? I need this ASAP to start working on a resolution/software update (maybe 2.3 as we won't introduce any new functions ~ simply fix what could be broken).

Thanks.

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#32995 - 12/07/05 10:20 AM Re: What about XD3 upgrade????????
Flavie Offline
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Registered: 10/11/01
Posts: 102
Loc: Ontario - Canada
Hi AJ,
Here is the list with the bugs I can recall:

1 - The most dangerous and very annoying issue is the when the processor freezes during song playback and the display shows the” I/O disk error” message. This can happen with any kind of midi file: Ketron, Tune 1000, songs recorded with the XD3… . I have also noticed that after every event of this kind, the Jukebox list always goes back to the first position. Imagine a crowded dance floor, everybody having great fun and suddenly the XD3 stops in the middle of the song without me touching any button or even playing a note via midi controller. I was even called “amateur” in one of these situations!!! Strange thing is that is not happening on regular basis. Some times it occurs every day (even twice a day) for a period of time and then it may take weeks before it happens again. I was hoping that Midijay will be free of this problem. With great disappointment I’ve seen Midijay owners complaining about the very same problem on this forum and Yahoo as well.
2 – The bass notes are dropped when full polyphony. This happens in both: style and song play modes.
3 – GM Part, only the first page parameters can be saved, but not entirely. The “mute” function cannot be saved within the midi file. After finish editing a song and you load a different midi file, exactly the same tracks that were previously muted will be muted in the new one as well. It seems that the memory of the sequencer does not flush when a new midi file is loaded. The only way to “mute” a track is to lower its volume to “0” but that will still allow the track to trigger midi notes that will fill up the polyphony.
In the GM Part Filter page – NONE of changes done to these parameters can be saved! Again, loading a new song will keep the same filter changes that you just did to the previous midi file. I personally find this page useless. I would suggest removing those “GM Filter“options and adding instead a Velocity Edit page which will really make a big difference.
4 – When using single registrations, it is impossible to change the style within the same registration. If you try to change the style you will actually call another registration.
5 – In “Disk” mode everytime when a song, registration, text file, are modified and saved, the cursor returns to the first position of the list, and you need to scroll back to the file you’ve been working on. This is very inconvenient. The same thing happens also with the Juke Box list which I would recommend improving it by giving the cursor the possibility to jump backwards from “A” directly to “Z”.
6 – While playing a song and calling up the “Jukebox” list, will cause the player to skip few beats of the song and sometime even freeze the module.
7 – After performing with style/midi file that had a “.txt” file associated, when you play a karaoke file and you want to change the instruments and then press ”exit” , the lyrics from the .txt file will be overlapped with the lyrics of the karaoke file on the external monitor and so became impossible to read.
8 – After recording a song, the dynamic of the recording does not match the one of the initial performance. It has been improved with the last update but still does not capture the emphasis of the live performance.
9 – The “Piano Sustain” button does not work.
10 – Changing the Style play mode with the Song play mode, can cause the split point to jump to unwanted positions.
11 – The “Intelligent Transpose” function often acts really stupid, producing strange octave transpositions during song playback. This can happen to all the tracks but the drum tracks.
12 – Removing a “Drum Remix” option from a midi file can be done only with “Remove” button from the “Save” menu, which will also erase all the other changes made in the GM Part
13 – Yet another unusable function is the “Online Drum Remix” that never synchronizes the style with the midi file. It looks like the rhythm does not use the internal clock of the sequencer and therefore is always off beat.
14 – In the “GM Part” trying to switch from “Chorus” effect to “Delay” effect, never worked on my XD3. Also the “Distortion” effect acts very strange most of the times, the instrument became distorted, but the level of the track became very low.

For the time being, these are the issues that I remember of and need to be fixed. As a suggestion for the next upgrade version, I would recommend introducing the “save” function during playback. Just like the Midijay has now with the 3.0 version.
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