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#301871 - 12/28/10 01:27 PM
Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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#301872 - 12/28/10 02:22 PM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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Donny, This one James did months back, the other three, well I don't rate them, only James has ever produced a good video like this but this was his first and last, unless you know different, that's my problem, we need to see many more, you can't expect James to keep churning them out, there must be others who have MS that can post some snippets. The sound quality on the other three is tosh! Have you got a MS Donny? [This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 12-28-2010).]
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#301873 - 12/28/10 02:27 PM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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Originally posted by Tony Hughes: Donny,
This one that James did months back, the other three, well I don't rate them, ther eis only james has ever produced a good video like this but this was his first and last, unless you know different, that my problem, we need to see many more, you can't expect james to keep churning them out, there must be others who have MS that can post some snippets. The sound quality on the other three is tosh! Have you got a MS Donny? I agree Tony.....I don't have a MS at this time although my best buddy Fran has a Mediastation in his studio that I have played before. But Now he has installed the new OS & I look forward to playing it again very soon....a major snowstorm dumping 40" 2 days ago has put a damper and traveling around...but I will seriously checking it out again very soon, Groove 61/76 it's so much more then an arranger KB.
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#301897 - 12/31/10 09:55 AM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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but what demonstrations are you talking about, post me some links if you have seen any good ones, or one! Hi Tony. I've posted 3 video's showing how the arranger operates. Surly from that you can get some sort of idea of what it works like as a Arranger and how it sounds with the default bank of sounds that come with the keyboard. Arranger Introduction http://www.youtube.com/irishacts#p/u/8/UzE4acDql0s Arranger, optimising a Style. http://www.youtube.com/irishacts#p/u/4/uKlI3NDqrHA Arranger with external sound module. http://www.youtube.com/irishacts#p/u/3/l2buudc9DOo Bearing all that in mind and how long it took me to optimise a style. There's nothing stopping me from doing that to a collection of styles in order to make a “Best Of” bank. So as you can see, it does indeed function as an arranger. The problem is Live Arranger doesn’t offer everything an Arranger user wants, and how it's implemented is not exactly ideal. None of which has anything to do with Lionstracs. However... it will very soon as under OS 5.0 a new version of Qranger will be released and as this will be the main arranger program going forward, lets stick a pin in all this until then. If it works and offers everything an arranger user could want, then there's nothing stopping it from being just as good a Arranger as it is a Workstation right now. All you need is the content preloaded, or someone to do the work for you,...or you learn how to do it yourself Regards James
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#301899 - 12/31/10 10:35 AM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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Yes I agree with James here. If the MS could have offered the "accepted standard" operations of an arranger - slash chord recognition, jazz chord recognition - break fills - then I certainly would have kept mine. I would have then taken the time to fully learn the Q-ranger system and created my own audio styles. As it happened it did not, so I pursued the options of 3rd party arranger engines. And as I have described a few times in this place, THAT was a total waste of time money and energy!! If indeed, these core (as I would consider them) functions of arranger are added to ANY future operating system, I would definitely re-purchase the MS, not in the keyboard form, as I am happy with my PA2xPro, but certainly the rack version. IF, Domenico ever gets it finished and fully operational Indeed, I still have ALL my MS instruments, Giga files and other data safely stored away, JUST in case that day ever happens As I have stated many MANY times before, the W/S aspects of the MS are brilliant, and I DO miss the rest of this wonderful musical instrument. I do NOT miss the arranger!! Dennis
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#301900 - 12/31/10 12:09 PM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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Originally posted by Dnj: why say that so negatively?....Liontracs makes very good units...maybe its the players that cannot grasp the concept and have the talent to operate it. It DOES have arranger features and so much more. well said. I agree totally with that. The MS may or may not be what someone is looking for, but sure as hell is a work of art because if you are crazy enough and you have enough time ,you can do things that no other keyboard can do. I have not bought one simply because at the moment I wanted an arranger workstation. I just bought a Tyros 2 about a week ago, which I love because it's instantly gratifying, but let me say it, if I had more time and more money, I would have preferred the MS.....this is a perfect cross between a computer and a keyboard workstation, and the best part is, it's not a computer with that Windows crap on it, it's a keyboard where if you have the balls to make it work, can do whatever you want it to do. So yeah, in that case I agree about the lack of skill of people who don't appreciate good products like these. BTW, I am just waiting to see the new Q-ranger. If ever the MS will be an arranger as fast to work with as a Yamaha, it will blow all the Yamahas out of the water. I just need to compare the ridicolous 'sampler' on the Tyros, which can only read wav files and map out 8 zones, with the possibilities that the MS ,instead , offers. The area in which the Tyros, at the moment, wins, is that it does what I want it to do straight out of the box: the sounds are excellent, for the most part, the arranger works like a dream (i.e. recognizes exactly any chord I play, which for me is very important) and the sequencer is very easy to use, although very basic and in fact, too basic, i.e. there's no piano roll and multi-level undo. I am sure that the MS , in all the areas except 'open the box and play', blows the Tyros out of the water, including probably the future ones. The way I see it, the MS is a multi-faceted dream workstation with LOADS of potential. But yes the sounds are a bit dated. Frankly, I was never impressed by Gigapiano. I remember a few sounds for Gigasampler which were terrific , like Peter Ewer's 'Symphonic Organ' or Gigaharp, but Yamaha, I have to say, managed to pull it off in the sounds department with the Tyros 2. I would never buy a new Tyros, though, it's simply too closed-ended for that kind of money. For that money, I would want an MS, a keyboard that you can expand with sounds for years to come. I really think the MS is a glimpse of the future. All it needs is a batch of killer sounds and an arranger that works as well as Yamaha makes them. Which is no easy task by all means, but I really cheer for Liontracs on this one. As a composer I don't want to rely on computers too much and I want a keyboard workstation that is the perfect transition between an arranger, a computer, and a synth workstation. Then I will even sleep on it.
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#301903 - 01/01/11 05:52 AM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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Originally posted by miden:
If the MS could have offered the "accepted standard" operations of an arranger - slash chord recognition, jazz chord recognition - break fills - then I certainly would have kept mine.
Dennis Dennis Gotya, You got rid of it! If it's not good enough for Dennis it's not good enough for me and £4500 is a lot of £, $ or Euros. From what Splading is now intimating, I'm out! I don't know about the history of the MS but is history repeating itself. The only way to develop a product is have people buy it in good numbers, get them to keep it and tell the World how good it is! Is this is what's happening, don't look like it, and according to Spalding it's not even early days with the product. Why I bother to explain this to you I don't know, I'm not getting one, Spalding has totally convinced me now without doubt and Dennis dumping his has topped it all off. Even DonM still as his Audya, Happy New Year Don.
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#301904 - 01/01/11 06:29 AM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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Originally posted by Tony Hughes: Dennis Gotya,
You got rid of it!
If it's not good enough for Dennis it's not good enough for me and £4500 is a lot of £...... then if it's not what you want, don't buy it and stop bitching about it all and slagging people off, you people make it sounding as if Liontracs is stealing your money, which is ridicolous: you all spend £ 3500 on a Tyros 4 (or Audya 5 etc) and jump with joy like fools for one year, then Yamaha (or Ketron, etc) release a model that is either underdeveloped compared to the previous one (i.e. the upgrade isn't worth that money), or either they release a model that's entirely unrelated to the previous one and way more powerful. The Liontracs is a true OPEN ENDED KEYBOARD, a true EXPANDABLE instrument, which won't became dated and obsolete within two to three years like the Tyros or the Audya! For the record I really don't care if people 'buy it in good numbers', that's just like saying that you have no mind of your own and are incapable to choose for yourself and you need to follow the crowd like a good sheep. Or ,worse, just talking and sitting around and talk out of the ass, like that guy from Netherlands, who seems to believe that the world should work according to his own expectations. Grow up, people.
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#301906 - 01/01/11 07:19 AM
Re: Liontracs Mediastation demo song
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Hi spalding. i think those are two very big assumptions James although i wouild be more confident if you were formally involved in the project and not just contributing when you can. If things go to plan regarding a completely different opportunity presented to Lionstracs, my work might on something else could very well make it's way into all existing Lionstracs products. So while I am making some very big assumptions, I've already got the upper hand here and the work I have already been doing puts me already far ahead of the game and in an excellent position. I've been a very little busy bee However there is a third and probably more important assumption and that is that both the preloaded styles are well programmed (not like the junk that came on the MS previously when Dom blatantly sold it with pirated styles as the mother of all arrangers) and Qranger integrates seamlessly with the hardware or the operational manual is so well written you dont need to be a scientist to configure the board the way you want it to do what you want it to do. Here's another assumption then.... Picture this..... A Yamaha QY 700 used to write styles. Connected to that is a KORG OASYS, one of the best sounding workstations on the face of the planet. The OASYS playing back the styles from the QY700, and it's own internal full digital re-sampling functions converting the style playing back into a wave file. Those wave files then running on the Meidastation as Audio Styles. That's a very real option that is available to me right now..!!!! How do you think a Tyros 4 will compare to a KORG OASYS?. Hmmm.... interesting idea. WE have been here with the MS many many times before so forgive me if i have great reservations. we had the same points or similar raised every year since 2002 . You were involved in the discussion yourself in 2009 and here we are again as regular as clockwork talking about the potential of the MS as an arranger.
Totally agree, but during that time the Mediastation has become the Ultimate flawless Workstation. So it's not like there was no development taking place. Assuming the new Qranger comes with the ability to be all that an arranger user needs, the only part missing is the content and someone to do the work. I am not saying it cant happen but i am being honest (not negative) when i say that i will have to see it and hear it and probably play it before i believe it. I totally understand, but lets not forget all that history as we watched it grow into what is now the ultimate workstation. I say stick a pin in the arranger side of things and lets wait for OS 5.0. Everything else is already in place and there's quite a lot of development work going on elsewhere that could be of massive benefit if things pan out as hoped. If not... it's still a fantastic workstation and it does already offer arranger functions advanced users can take advantage of to a certain point. Regards James
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