While discussing sales of manufacturers on another thread..I thought it would be interesting to see a "head count" of owners that have a Tyros 3....Korg PAx2...Roland G70 , E80...Ketron Audya ...and Technics KN7000.....Maybe the count here on SZ will give us a cross index in the real world too..

I will start with a head count....

Roland G70



[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 05-31-2010).]

Tyros 2, with a Tyros 1 as my backup...

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Bill in Dayton

I've got an Audya that I've been keeping in the wings as a reserve. I'm waiting for the second part of OS V4.0. My main ax currently is the Korg PA2x pro.

I sold my Yamaha PSR-S900 awhile back because I was considering getting a Tyros 3. Since then, the Liontracs Red Groove X7 has caught my attention. Great concept.

[This message has been edited by salsaman (edited 05-29-2010).]

That is 1 for Korg ..1 for Yamaha and 1 for Roland..so far

There are more Ford F150 pickups out there than any other car in the world (according to Top Gear, anyway). Does that make it the best car in the world?

Sales numbers are no indication of what is best. Just what SELLS best.

Lamborghini sell only a few cars, Ford sells MILLIONS. Guess that makes a Ford better than a Lambo, doesn't it?!

BTW, does ANYONE think that this forum's members are indicative of the 'real world'?

I used the word "maybe"...BTW: where is your head count?

I also was qualifying the selections as the last top of the line models...to be consistently fair..

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 05-29-2010).]

G70

You have to ASK what my head count is?

Why don't we get hat size too? I'm sure we could draw some kind of conclusion from that as well. Or height, hair color (or lack thereof!), shoe size, waistline...

Wouldn't it be a gas to find out that Yamaha's are mostly bought by slim, tall redheads! And Roland's by short blond trolls...

for my 2 midi accordions Elkavox 83 & Concerto digital accordion :-

2no technics smac 1200 accomps module (each one set up for a different midi accordion )

1no Fantom XR sound module (with 4 expansion boards)

1no Technics KN7000 (with all the expansion boards )

along the way I have owned the yammie Tyros T2 and the Gem XP expander ...neither I'm sorry to say suited me !!(just my opinion )

regards ...Giovanni

YAMAHA S910

Toys don't count...only top of the line models count...

SD-5, Midjay, MS-60's (two). Roland GW-7 as back-up-back-up. WK-8000 as a permanent resident of a new house job.

R.

Guys, guys. I believe Fran was pretty specific about which arranger models he wanted a head count on, and I believe they were all recent TOTL models. In that spirit, I will say, Tyros 2 (although I think my PA1x Pro should also be counted if the T2 and SD1 is).

chas

2x Edirol PCR800
Yamaha Mu80
PC hardware with touchscreen
VST collection, NI Komplete 5, Spectrasonics omnisphere, true piano's and many many more
Live-styler, ableton live, Cubase 5.0

Yamaha Tyros 2
Roland E 80
bebop

Korg Pa1XPro
Korg i30

Oh Boy here we go!!.....as I put my seat belt on

Mine is a Tyros3 and my second keyboard was not listed but it is a Technics Kn5000

John C.

Korg PA2XPRO.

Lee S.

Is it two?



>>>> waits for someone to ask if Diki is short and blond




[This message has been edited by Nigel (edited 05-29-2010).]

Now that's funny!

No offense intended there ... it was such an obvious setup I just couldn't help myself lol

Tyros 1, Psr900, Roland G 1000, G 800, Roland RD 700 piano.

Audya, Roland E80 (for sale).
DonM

Midjay
E-80
Juno DI

Can someone else keep tabs...although it looks like Roland G70 and E80 are pulling away from the others..

Chas you are right..I should not have listed the SD1 or Tyros2...

Thanks Fran, I was in no way trying to sabotage your post. I just thought people might be getting away from what you were trying to count, so what's with your buddy's "put your seat belts on" comment. Considering he was among the first to list an 'inelgible' keyboard, you COULD make the argument that HE helped start the post down the wrong path. Of course, when you're so focused on attacking anything someone else says, it's easy to make your own mistakes.

Hey Fran, at least you're fair and balanced..........just like Fox News .

chas

Tyros 3

john

Korg PA2X!

Tyros 3 and Korg PA500....

I hope Tapas gets in here, he has MANY....

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mdorantes

When you don't take a look at the models at all, but look at the brands it is:

Roland 8
Korg 6
Yamaha 7
Ketron 1

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Tyros3.

PA800 (2)

PSR9000 for me, that's right the B-e-s-t keyboard e-v-e-r!

Korg PA800, Midjay Plus (2), 5 different controllers.

G70 and Sd-1

Korg PA1X
Yamaha Tyros3

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PSR-2000.....and still lovin it !!!!

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createsongstyles.com

newmusicroom.com

Korg PA800
Audya

For my count:

Yamaha 11
Korg 10
Roland 6
Ketron 3
Technics 2

No surprises here.

Korg Pa2xpro

The actual count so far for the Top of the line (current or last) are as follows:

Roland G70/E80...6

Yamaha Tyros3...5

Korg Pa2x....4

Ketron Audya...1

Technics 7000....1

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 05-30-2010).]

Math must not be your strong point...

Let us include the ketron Audya and technics KN 7000 (although no longer in business they were the companies best)..

BTW: I know of 12 SynthZoners that have MediaStations...

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 05-30-2010).]

If you make a G70/E80 option for Roland with both a 61 and 76 key option, you also need to make a PA2X/PA800 option for Korg. Both are basically the same instruments in a 76 and 62 version. The differences are only minor.

Diki,

Just for once, no one is taking a blind bit of notice of you, shame! Must be that KB you've got. Not street cred, and you know what I've got, I've told you a 1000 times.

Cheers Diki.

Tyros 3

Well......technically speaking, some members are including keyboards no longer in production like the G70 and E 80 (besides the KN 7000), so, to be fair, the Ketron SD1 should be also included.... And also the PA800 since is the 61 keys sibling of the PA2X very much like the G70 & E80.

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mdorantes

Now I know how the US Census bureau feels...

What was so hard to understand?..I limited the head count to the "top of the line " models...meaning the best, most expensive models...either current or the last production models..

This was an intended comparison "head count"...not a competition...

It has shown me that the sales of the top models is on a even field, without a large dominance..

I thought the count of the "top" models would be a better indication of sales among most pro players (meaning pay to play)...

I set up a manufacturer list initially to make it easier to count the results...

BTW: If we were to get a head count of the "most used" arranger keyboard (professionally)...the results of the folks I "know"...the G1000 would "still" lead the way...

The only fair head count was as I tried to maintain..

The Roland E-80/G70 are similar top models..and not the same comparison of the Korg PA800 and PA2x...(just the price comparison will confirm this)...


I guess the comparison of user models here at SZ, has giving us an idea ..how equal the "top arranger keyboard " market is....sales wise..

Tyros 2

Not hard at all, Fran. It's just the classic (SZ) case of people just ignoring what you asked for, even after it's been re-explained, reiterated, repeated, and re-stated, and just posting what they WANT to post . Either they're 1. just proud of their gear and want people to know what they have; 2. don't own what you actually asked for but want to be represented anyway; 3. don't agree with your basic premise that only most current TOTL models should be included and decided to overrule you; 4. only read the title but not the actual post; 5. saw that it was from Fran and decided to send it 'south' . In any case, the best arranger? Your brain (plus a good sound set and a little training). Hmmmm, wonder where that ranks?

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Hope this is enough smilies to soothe any bruised feeligs.

chas

Tyros 2, with a Tyros 1 as my backup and a Midjay

'nuff said.

With the new inclusion of Technics, add 1 KN7000

I agree Chas, although, having said that, there are quite a few professional players using mid-range PSR just as successfully as Tyros...and several using E-60 instead of the G-70...and PA-800/500 instead of PA2XPro.

These days, one does not need a TOTL arranger to perform, a marked difference from only a few years ago, when only the top-range models had the goods necessary for a pro performance.

But, it is Fran's thread, and it's best to conform to the standards he feels are important (not necessarily everyone's) and I'm sure there is a reason why he set it up this way.

Ian

Tyros 3

Frank,

I think that you wait of counting is biased.

If you count G70-E80 as same (because price),,,,,why not

PA2x and PA1x?

Why not Tyros 3 and Tyros2?

The E80 and G70 were not replacement models for each other..your other examples were direct replacement models...

hello everyone...

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well i was going to say E60 but of course it has speakers, no mic input, no harmonizer,
no drawbars, and doesn't give you a hernia
picking it up, so i guess that it's pretty close to a G70 in every other way doesn't count in the tally..

from which we can definitely ascertain by the highest number count exactly what ?

"More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette" were ads from the 1940's-50's.

get the picture?

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Miami Mo

And you wonder why I poked fun at a stupid question?

Look at the responses...

There's only one fact you can draw from all this data Nobody thinks the results (I use the term loosely) have any validity. Unless, of course, you shape the question so that the result you WANT is the result you get.

That's not 'taking a poll'. That's 'self-justification'

I still think hat size is a far more relevant question!

What was the stupid question?

I furnished a list of the top models and asked for a head count of the users...thinking it would show a cross index of sales pertaining to the models mentioned....If you don't own one of the "top models" listed..it requires no comment....If you didn't want it known that you use one of the top models listed...same response...don't comment...

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 05-31-2010).]

Well, Fran, you want to do a head count as an indicator of sales, why not stick to arrangers that are actually in production? You can't rule out other models like the Technics, or older Korg's, Yamaha's etc unless you rule out your OWN arranger. The E80 and G70 were VERY different (at least as different as the T2 and T3), and the E80 was two years newer than the G70, so, once again, by your own rules, you rule out the G70..

There's absolutely NO WAY that what we use here on SZ has any correlation to sales figures in the real world. You were in retail, for Pete's sake! You know this better than most of us! I mean, look at the number here with G70's, and its' abject failure in the real world...

The only thing you could possibly say about your 'head count' is that, amongst fanatical bloggers of arrangers in the English language that own current TOTL arrangers (and G70's) and post at SZ's General Arranger Forum, G70's are more popular than you might think! We certainly don't represent the vast majority of arranger users here, so how could ANY kind of internal poll provide any relevant data other than to the tiny cross section we are?

Mark Twain had it nailed... There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics

And those that frame the question in the first place get to shape the resultant lies...

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Diki, you already know that the "G series" has been designed for and sold (with the brief exception of the G70) in the MI stores..
The "E series have been designed and sold through the Home piano stores...

Both the G70 and E80 are the current/ latest offerings with in the two divisions...The E80 did not replace the G70...and actually the E80 was stopped production wise before the G70 in the USA market..

Here is the final count for me, and gave me the comparison results to base an opinion..

Roland 7

Yamaha 6

Korg 4

Ketron 2

Technics 2

I bet you could split that hair even more if you REALLY tried, Fran

ALL TOTL Roland arrangers were sold through the CK division until a few months before the G70's discontinuation, and they only moved it over to try to dump the old stock.

Roland make NO differentiation between the lines on their website. I'm sorry, but try all you want, there is simply no getting over that the E80 WAS a different, newer TOTL arranger than the G70, and by your own rules (you are simply trying to move the bar after the race has started), is not eligible for inclusion.

Unless, of course, by framing the question, you are actually TRYING to get the answer you want... You wouldn't be doing that, would you?

So, let's see, does that mean that Technics are now eligible? Being a discontinued TOTL arranger from several years ago?

As an ex-retailer, you know perfectly well that you can say almost ANYTHING as long as you leave out a lot of the details (look at the fine print under any TV ad), to make a point that is patently false. But what is even more obvious is, rather than simply asking for a head count on ALL arrangers, you have deliberately tried to shape the question, and once that didn't bring the result you wanted, are now trying to CHANGE the question... Just a little TOO desperate, IMO..!

Look, I love the G70 as much as you do (possibly more, as I don't constantly try other things to replace it ), but I don't need to run a fixed poll to justify it, nor ask questions that change when I don't get the answer I want... There's only ONE thing that can be derived from a poll at this forum - and that is WHAT WE ACTUALLY USE. No possible extrapolation can be made from it.

Might as well simply get a 'head count' from us ALL, and then try to fudge the results afterward!

So, here's mine... G70. Hat size Medium. Shoe size 8 1/2. Waist 32". Height 5'4". Weight... more than a G70!

You just read to much into simple post..


Nigel, I think this post has runned it's course....It has shown me that the top manufacturers are on the same page ..sales wise....less the hype...

Please close the thread..and we will discuss another topic..

Chas, can you share your email address with me...so I can have a sensible conversation ..once in a while...