Some details of Wersi Pegasus Wings Keyboard leaked in Tastenwelt Magazine

Translated from Tastenwelt Magazine http://www.tastenwelt.de/singlenews.0.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=13138&tx_ttnews[backPid]=3417&cHash=74139ea584

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A special delicacy of the weekend will be the presentation of the successor of keyboards Wersi Pegasus. The manufacturer will with the new keyboard from June first be OAS (open type system) in price range up to 4000 Euros offer. The new Wersi Pegasus wing offers sine train bar, touch screen, a weight of under 15 kg, a modern design, CD burner, USB and an open system including fixed storage media. Thus sololen the keyboard lovers completely new dimensions open up.

Sharp looking design on that model.

Cool design, very tastefull and nice look. Hopefully it going to be
at least twice as good as it look as well as half as expensive priced
as Wersi usually are, then it may be a interesting object.

Btw, reminds me about Bang & Olufsen who used (or use) to have quite a
modern and futuric design on the Audio & Stereo products.

Cheers
GJ

It better knock our socks off for €4000 (that's £3500 GBP).

Lets hope it has all te features from the larger OAS instruments....

But for this price it might knock some heads...

Looks beautiful.

Looks Super !

Impuls

That's about $5500 USD. So maybe there IS a bit of competition for the Audya.

It will all revolve around the styles again, though. Unless the Wersi styles make a BIG leap forward in contemporariness, I doubt, despite this no doubt having the technological advantage over Ketron (OAS has no trouble streaming multiple audio channels, just for starters), it will still fare poorly.

Here is another picture on the Denmark Site. (The picture can be enlarged from within most browsers)
http://www.wersi.dk/

The drawbars look awful close to the keyboard...they should be a little further back, or raised up a bit...looks like it would be too easy to hit them whilst playing vigorously.

Otherwise, it looks cool.

It looks Photoshopped...

My concern with that form factor would be... isn't that a LONG way to go from the keyboard to any of the arranger controls? It's hard enough to have to lift your LH from chord playing to get to an adjacent button, let alone what would, on most other arrangers, be right at the back of the panel...

I agree with you on the form factor Diki. Those controls are a good ways away from the keybed when you compare them to the traditional (or average) arranger keyboard layout. The location of the drawbars (in their extended positions) is where you'd normally find your arranger controls (in either the left or right positions)

Maybe Wersi owners should write into the company (as this is a prototype) and suggest moving just the arranger controls to "underneath" the screen as there's a good open space there for them. That would seem a very logical place to put them if they want to keep the drawbars where the are currently.



[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 06-04-2009).]

Why has no one thought of sticking wood veneer on beige box clone PCs before now? Genius!

errrmm PA2xPro for example!!

I wouldn't call a PA2Xpro a clone PC, Dennis, which is, I think, the point he was making.

PA2Xpro is beige, and has veneer, but is based on custom embedded chips, not a generic PC...

Mind you, Seamaster, before you start knocking the Wersi for being an overpriced PC, you have to show that you can easily cobble together the same combination of VSTi capabilities, sound generation, and especially easy integrated control over the whole thing. It's that last one that's the hard part. Making all this stuff fairly transparent to non-PC 'geeks' is a formidable task. I only wish there WERE some way to do this with a beige box with as little effort as Wersi have achieved with OAS. Not that that's ANY excuse for the obscene markup that commands, but it IS a consideration, IMO...

Yep, fair enough Diki, good correction..I misunderstood his point. I thought he meant keyboards.

Can't help thinking that last image is a fake.

There's no height to the buttons and there's no way for the keys to press down. The size panels are also not the same as the ones in the other image. The shape is a different cut.

Chances are we are looking at a very poor 3D render here made from basic shapes.

If it's a fake at one of the official Wersi sites, it will do Wersi
more harm than good.
Guess the "wooden edge" are the profile who mirror the name Wing.
It's cool design, low weight and 76 keys, but how userfriendly to
operate and play we have to wait and see.
The big touch screen will probably give lots of options, as well as
it might be possible to add some footcontrollers.
Looking forward to some demoes.

Cheers & Happy playing
GJ

GJ

Still no words on the specs?

Quote www.wersi.dk :

Det nye Wersi Pegasus Wing kan tilbyde Sinus Drawbars, Touchscreen, en
vægt på under 15 Kg., et moderne design, CD-brænder samt USB med et åbent
system inklusiv harddisk medie...

Dette skulle åbne ganske nye dimensioner for en Keyboard Liebhaver.

End quote.

In english that say that the new Wersi pegasus Wings can offer Sinus Drwabars,
wight less than 15 kilograms, a modern design, CD burner and USB carrying an
open system inclusive harddrive media.
This should open quite new dimensions for a keyboard lover.
_____________________

Guess that's all for now, the pricelecvel aprox €4000 already mentioned earlier
in this tread, that's far less than the needed to grab the Audya.......

Cheers
GJ


Wooppsss, forgot to "translate" about the Touchscreen!

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 06-05-2009).]

Sorry, doubble post.D

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 06-05-2009).]

Well, it's past June 1st, and still all we get are these Photoshop mockups of prototype pictures, and no detail specs.

Perhaps Wersi have picked up on the success of the Audya's hype, and really mean June 1 2010? Then we will all be agog for a year (or more) endlessly debating theoretical possibilities until the inevitable disappointment of its' eventual release...

Upon when, only die hard Wersi users will buy it, and everybody else will go around scratching their heads and going 'why isn't it completely different to all the other Wersi's?'

Personally I have nothing against the use of 3D renders, but when you see them you know that whatever it is your looking at is a long way away from being a real product.

The fact that the two images are different suggests that your looking at very early prototype renders and the real thing might look different again.

They look very cool either way, but as a 3D artist myself whoever rendered those images should be ashamed. It's very poor quality work. Nothing more than skinned basic shapes.

Still, they do give you some idea of what the final product will look like and I think it will look pretty sweet indeed.

James

The thing is, they have stated a June 1st release. There's NO WAY at this stage that they don't have real models ready to photograph. In fact, the second picture looks pretty much like the real thing. Trouble is, that's an ORGANIST'S layout. Drawbars at the front, everything else out of the way. I thought this was an ARRANGER?

So, I'm not holding my breath waiting for Wersi to finally realize that most arranger players are more concerned with how good the styles are, rather than how well it gets the Franz Lambert cheezy organ sound...

This thing looks like something from their 'kit keyboard' days, with a lousy layout and poor design for an arranger...

Or maybe we have just got our translations wrong, and what they mean is that by June 1st they will release more details about it? (OK, they are late, but you know what I mean!).

Ketron released the details on the Audya TWO YEARS before it shipped. Perhaps there IS time for them to realize what a blockheaded design that panel layout is?

http://www.wersi.de/

At the Wersi website it's not stated out 1. June as far as I can see.
In a popup when enter the site it say: COMING SOON.
But, there is an event at "Freitag 05. + Samstag 06. Juni 2009" .....
Also a litle picture at the frontpage that show just a tiny bit of the
new thing.

Cheers
GJ



Als besonderes Highlight präsentieren wir Ihnen den Nachfolger unseres
legendären Keyboards PEGASUS - lassen Sie sich überraschen!

Translatet by websitetranslator it looks like this:
As special highlight we present you the successor of our legendary
keyboards PEGASUS - let surprise itself!

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 06-05-2009).]

Sorry to be a little critical,folks, butI would want to HEAR the sounds of the new Wersi board before any judgement on the design.
With that price, it just HAS to be groundbreaking.
cheers
Eddie

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PSR9000

The greatest sound, tied to a keyboard that the form factor prevents you from playing it well is no better than a great panel layout on an arranger that sounds like poo.

Arrangers are meant to be played, LIVE. Where the buttons are, whether you can easily get to them while still playing is critical. The best sound in the world won't make up for changes missed, timing ruined, and fills and variations in at odd times, because your LH has to travel MUCH further than any other arranger makes you to do basic operation of the start/stop/fill/variation/into/ending buttons.

Its first public showing is at the Wersi Summerfest that is on this weekend, (Don’t know where you got the June 1st from) so expect details to emerge sometime next week after the festival.
For those in the US the Bill Horn Dutchland Show http://www.billhornproductions.com/conventions.htm starts on the 14th in Pennsylvania, and as Wersi are there, you will probably find that they will bring the Pegasus Wing with them.
As to the instrument itself, I hope that there are no legacy sounds or styles included (The biggest downer with OAS 7) so it can be fully up to date. (So long as legacy sounds and styles can be loaded, it shouldn’t upset any existing Wersi owners)
In addition it will probably come as standard with the OAA, (One of the most advanced arranger software out there) which means there is no excuse for bad styles, (Unlike the antiquated Style system of OAS 7) however if there are any styles that you don’t like, you should also be able to directly play Yamaha styles (Including Megavoice styles) which since its inception in 2007 has come on in leaps and bounds.

Prices
The site says up to €4000 so it may depend on the hardware you choose, however if we assume the marketing guys level of €3999 inc Tax it should give you a rough idea, and for comparison purposes I have used the German Google Product Search http://www.google.de/products to compare prices using the same tax system.

Ketron Audya €4190
Korg PA2x €2999
Orla GT8000 €3950
Roland E80 €2599 (Roland have recently reduced their E series prices, so that the E80 now competes with PA800, Ketron SD5 levels)
Wersi Pegasus Wing €3999
Yamaha Tyros 3 €3849

Should be interesting
Fingers crossed that Wersi don’t cock this one up.
Regards

Bill

The picture on the first page of Wersi.dk is apparently taken from the official flyer from Wersi.
Also according to reports, the Pegasus has no Hard Disk, but a 16GB SSD (Solid State Disk)

Bill

No hard disk is a downfall for this instrument...

Many top vstís stream directly from HD, and SSD is to slow for this kind of operation.

Keeps me wondering why they didn't invest the other 70 euro's to make it the perfect arranger...instead of just another compromis...

Hi Bachus
SSD are more expensive then ordinary hard disks and a lot faster, (Hence the smaller capacity fitted) as an example in a recent test 1 SSD when tested was found to be faster then Twin Raptors (10.000 RPM) in a Raid Array.
Don’t confuse the modern SSD with the old limited capacity SSD in hardware arrangers.
If you don’t believe me, do a search for tests on the latest SSD. (And be prepared for a shock)
Regards

Bill

I don't expect this to be faster than a HDD, I actually expect it to be slightly slower.

It's a 16GB SSD so it's very likely it's the same type that we see in Netbooks which operate in around 35MB/s Read, and 10MB/s Write for large files only, but are much slower on smaller files.

Makes no difference anyway to be honest. I would rather a SSD inside a musical instrument than a hard disk any day. Loud music and bass vibrations don't play nice with HHD's. So the SSD gets two thumbs up from me regardless of it's speed.

Regards
James.

Current SSD's are still slower then Hard disks, next to that 16GB is not nearly enough for such a worlstation.

But i don't think they have a true SSD disk but ordinary Static RAM as we know from memmory sticks..

We will see whne they release their full specs...

One decent drum VSTi will obliterate that SSHD's 16GB. This is a cost adding (not cutting, because HD's are cheap) decision that might bite them in the arse...

With a V-Machine able to address that much memory from a stick and play VSTi's very capably (according to James) for about $699, a hardware keyboard with no better memory capabilities for $5000+ doesn't seem that great a deal...

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Well, as long as its possible to upgrade to a bigger disk in the future, then no harm is done, in about a year there will be 250 GB fast SSD's for less then $200


Now I am wondering what parts of the high end Wersi's will be missing ?

How much memmory will there be,
how much CPU power,
Will it have OX7 module inside,
How many factory style (Appollo has only 100)
How many factory sounds (Appollo has only 228)

And what will it cost to upgrade the OAS to a full feautured OAS thats running on the Louvre and the other bigger brothers.

For Wersi the price is very sharp... its almost hot... so there has to be a catch beneed all of this, or they would not sell any of their other boards anymore.


[This message has been edited by Bachus (edited 06-06-2009).]

hi Diki
i have used a wersi spectra for many years and found the controls fall easy to hand. if anything the spectra organ was easer to use the the pegasus i now use.
i love the pull out volumes on the specta and see the have the same on the pegasus wing too.
this is great for adding or removing a second voice or acc. i sure Abacus would agree how easy his keyboard is to use.
i dont think it will be harder to use as an arranger compared to say the abacus keyboard.
look forward to seeeing more in the next few months.
cheers
bill

As I said in my previous post “Fingers crossed that Wersi don’t cock it up”

The OAS in the Apollo is completely different from OAS 7 or any other version, so its unlikely that they will ever match up, if anything it will be the other way round, as there are features in the Apollo that are not available in OAS 7.

As to sounds and styles then we will have to wait and see. (If they include Legacy sounds and styles then their doomed)
BTW Styles and sounds are added all the time via free updates, and the number of user slots is updated as and when required.

Anyway we should have more details next week, and we will then be able to see if it cuts the mustard, particularly as its virtually the same price as a Tyros 3 (In spite of negative feedback on forums, and plenty for sale on the used market, the T3 is still the best selling TOTL Arranger out there) and will probably be able to directly play the same styles if required.

IMO however, (Until Roland bring out a new Arranger based on the new Atelier Sound Engine) the Arranger it has to convincingly beat is the Korg PA2x, which IMHO is the best TOTL Arranger out there at the moment. (It may not handle VST but it does take Akai and the rest of it is also stunning)

Regards

Bill

There was a price drop a few weeks back probably to make way for the CPU upgrade kit. That's when I made my purchase and I only paid 333 euro which is $465. So there is a good deal to be had somewhere.

James.

Translated (Google) from the Wersi Austria Forum http://www.tastenpoint.at/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1082 from someone that attended the Summerfest


You can already read the data, purely acoustically I had a very positive impression.
Why, the device has a lively nature, very live just with his drum sets, styles and sounds.
Individual sounds such as Akoustikpiano and strings are managed, however, I miss here a scalability to sounds, just individual sounds are repeatedly Geschmacksache.
With the small new system of Wersi, the key had a good sound, durchsetzungsfähige sounds and pressure as you know it from Wersi.
The screen is touch sensitive, and 10 as it is expected "large enough and easy.
The processing is very solid with styling at the heart of the time and a highly welcome alternative to plastic.
The no longer arises me question is: - it should represent no Konkurenz to abacus and co., thus eliminates a certain experimental capability, some of us appreciate.
But I believe it certainly represents a Konkurenz to certain Italian products, especially concerning the sound and the processing.
There is indeed especially a simple and effective operation referred to Wersi now when this key provides (if one in WERSI at all difficult Bdienung can talk of), is tonally I see but clearly superior.
All in all I was, after Dieter Bohlen, positive touches and believe that it finds his lovers, if they have not already ordered

Translated via Google from the Austrian Forum, and then reworked by myself to make it clearer, please be aware that I am NOT a professional translator and so there may be slight errors.
Regards

Bill

A super instrument with the sound of the big OAS instruments, easy to play and programmable

* WERSI Pegasus wing
* 10 " Touch-Screen Display
* 76 keys! Semi weighted
* Real Drawbars on the right side for easy use with left or right hand
* 100 Factory of presets, 500 free slots for your own with more via USB or DVD
* 950! Excellent sounds (Not just 10 variations of a piano, but really good sounds), including some from the larger instruments, plus many new sounds specifically for the Pegasus Wing.
* 350 Factory Styles on OAA base
* WAVE, MP3, MIDI
* Latest technology with 16 GB Solid State disk - no rotating mechanical parts - no noise.
*Standard integrated CD/DVD burner!
* MIDI, LINE and USB ports
* Housing, in high-quality metal and still only 17 kg!
*Standard white finish, optional in silver or high-gloss with wood sidewalls
* Prices € 3.990 Inc VAT (Austria)


[This message has been edited by abacus (edited 06-08-2009).]

More pictures of the Pegasus Wing
http://www.tastenpoint.at/pictures/BILD0001.JPG
http://www.tastenpoint.at/pictures/BILD0002.JPG
http://www.tastenpoint.at/pictures/BILD0003.JPG
http://www.tastenpoint.at/pictures/BILD0004.JPG
http://www.tastenpoint.at/pictures/BILD0005.JPG
http://www.tastenpoint.at/pictures/BILD0006.JPG

Way the go Wersi.

I look forward to drooling over the official spec sheet.

I have been trying to find out, but couldn't find the right info

Could you tell me (or link me) what the main differencess are between the normal OAS7 and the appollo OAS7... (Except for the visualls, because personaly the Appollo one looks way better)

Seems like there is no option to expand the sounds (load ram sounds) and it might not even have the option to load vsti's..

Lets see whats left of the great feautures of OAS when we get more information.

Hi Bachus
Here are the Apollo Details.
BTW there is no songbook or OTS in OAS 7, just Total Presets that can be tied into the ACC Presets.
OAS 7 will also not function without an SG card, whereas the Apollo does.
http://www.wersiclub.co.uk/The%20Apollo%20is%20Launched.pdf
http://www.4shared.com/file/110669671/17ee3719/APOLLO.html

Looks good !

Impuls

Wersi will struggle with this one. They've never caused the likes of Roland or Yamaha many sleepless nights at the best of times. These days, given their reliability record, who will gamble $$$$ on a Wersi warranty when what's left of this incarnation of the company must surely have the sword of Damocles hanging above its head?

According to their buiseness statistics Wersi has allways been a healthy company since their first Knock out many years ago....

Do you have any proof of you assumptions?