Here are the final Real Styles from the OAS system as with the introduction of the OAA (Open Art Arranger) it’s unlikely that any more will be made for the OAS style system. (The OAA is completely different format that is not recognised by the OAS style section or any conversion programs)
As additional information the OAA completely replaces the OAS style system, fortunately it can read older styles, amongst others.

Interestingly although new OAA styles are constantly added during the many free updates, none (As far as I am aware) feature the Real Drums.

Regards

Bill

http://www.4shared.com/file/75920207/c928e7ae/Real_Waltz.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920230/7c6121ce/Real_Barock.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920273/8104b570/Real_Bosa_Nova_1.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920306/bfedbd0f/Real_Brush_Fast.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920332/93ad2ad5/Real_Brush_Train.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920363/99ddee06/Real_Disco.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920388/908c1a00/Real_Fox_Slow.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920428/6f2ce40f/Real_Jive.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920470/1c809878/Real_Life_is_Live.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920495/f2694179/Real_Mambo.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920536/904d927e/Real_March.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920568/a824b3c/Real_Samba_1.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920599/fa1d6765/Real_Saragosa_Band.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920652/c33c4fb8/Real_Swing_2.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/75920685/e8f6a456/Real_Twist_1.html

I listened to a couple at random (bossa and disco) and they are embarrassingly awful. They would have shamed my E-20 twenty years ago. Sorry and all that.

Am I totally missing something here? Am I hearing the same thing everyone else is hearing??? Are these supposed to be styles that showcase what a Wersi sounds like "currently"

Bill.., all do respect.. IMO those styles were awful when you compare them to what's out there by the major three.., and not just how the style was programed but the sounds used were medicore at best. When someone said a long time ago "Disco is Dead" Wersi has found a way to kill it all over again. That Disco style was horrible!

I'm sorry Bill.., you and I have totally different perceptions of what sounds good I guess.

I don't know about you guys.., but Wersi is WAY out of the game IMO. What a joke! Are people in the USA buying these things?

Seriously..., if this is the level of style quality that a person is looking for..., I say save yourself 15 grand and buy a Casio instead. No joke.., I've heard better sounding and better programed distorted guitar parts on higher end Casio's Bill.....

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Normally I don't like to pile on but.......these are awful. I don't know what to compare it to, except maybe version 1.0 of Band-in-a-box.

chas

Read the post, the previous posts http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/018758.html and the reviews I have posted recently http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/018680.html

Then have a look at this link www.live-styler.de

Which should answer all your questions?

Regards

Bill

Bill,

Are these third party styles that were converted and used on the Wersi? If so they must be triggering only GM/GS sounds because these styles sound like crap to me. I have a Wersi Abacus Duo Pro and if it sounded like this I'd never use it.

I think you are doing Wersi a great disservice because anyone who hears this will think that is what the Wersi sounds like which isn't the case. The Wersi has some amazing sounds in the factory library, none of which I've heard in these style demos. Could you clarify what these styles are and if they are all GM/GS based?

They are all OAS 7 Factory Styles.

Look up the names using Quickload and you will find them. (Most of them are also under the standard style buttons level 1)

If you have read my review you will know what I think about OAS 7 compared to OAS 6.

Regards

Bill

No offense, Bill, but nobody is posting the demos for the E20 any more, or a PA50 or earlier...

The only thing that has any relevance to this forum is a comparison of the LATEST, greatest stuff. Not a walk down memory lane (unless it is annotated thoroughly - you have a tendency to post stuff and expect us to track down the details of how relevant it is).

Point us to the 'latest, greatest' from Wersi Abacus. Or at least do a LITTLE more to explain what is up and why...

Sounds are not the issue, as OAS 7 uses both the Hypersonic sound engine, (All the new voices) and the Creamware scope system for the rest.

Styles, well as has been said in the reviews, the OAS style engine is about 9 years old (Yes there have been improvements during that time, but none that make a major difference in sound) consequently you will need to hear the OAA (Which is a totally new system) to know what Wersi modern styles sound like.

Point to note, if you listen to any of the professional artists (The ones that play the instruments from local pubs to shows, concert halls and football stadiums) then up until recently (Now the OAA is more established) all of them used there own sequences or setups rather then the OAS styles.

BTW all the Real drum styles use audio loops for the drums, not drum kits.

Regards

Bill

I think these Wersi posts are an elaborate practical joke. It's the only explanation.

If you don’t believe me, here are some 3rd party styles that have been written for the OAS Style system. http://www.tastenpoint.at/shop/index.php?cPath=29_51

As you can see, without the OAA (Open Art Arranger) even basic arrangers leave the OAS styles for dead.

Sounds, well that’s a different matter.

Regards

Bill

OK then, lets hear the stuff that's supposed to knock our socks off and have us all writing out cheques for ten grand...

Buy me the OAA software and I will show you

Here's where, once Wersi have ripped you off the first time by selling you a VASTLY overpriced arranger with styles and sounds mired in the eighties, they then add insult to injury and charge you an arm and a leg to update to the latest software and styles and sounds... (and no-one is exactly raving about those, either), That is, unless you have to upgrade your hardware (MORE money) just to run those new upgrades!

In the meantime, Roland and Korg are dropping multiple upgrades adding groundbreaking new technologies, new styles and, in Korg's case, new sounds....

FOR FREE...

Wersi, you should be doing SO much more, at those prices..

1. Organists find styles get in the way, and the vast majority of Wersi sold are Organs.

2. The OAS system was conceived just as styles (As we know them today) were coming into existence, and like most organ manufactures Wersi thought it was a fad that would soon disappear. (Head in the Sand)

3. If you look at the price of the upgrades required (Hardware and software (Plus you don’t have go through every software upgrade) the price you paid for the instrument has now cost not much more then users have paid for all the boards they have traded in for new ones (Only the fastidious have not followed the hype and wait until a real upgrade board arrives)

4. Since OAS 7 was launched I have lost count of the number of new voices added (Including Legato voices) during the free updates that have been produced. (The new styles added during this time are for the OAA only)

5. When Wersi did get their head out the sand (Along with other organ manufactures) it took them 2 years of R & D to develop the OAA, and thus have an arranger section that easily equals and in most departments leaves the competition behind (Audya should give it a good run for the money though) in addition many new styles, sounds (Specifically for backings) and features have been added during the free updates that have been produced. (Roland had a much easier time for change over, as they just modified their organs to read the Roland arranger format styles as well as their organ styles)
While a big company could absorb the R & D by bringing out a new model, and marketing it as the best thing since sliced bread, a small company does not have that option.

6. Should Wersi do more for existing owners, Absolutely, but kicking them up the backside (Butt) doesn’t seen to make much difference.

7. As what needs to be added (At no cost to existing owners) has been mentioned in my review of OAS 7.

8. Extras; I wish they would allow direct play of Roland Styles, as for me, Yamaha Styles are just too song specific and canned.

Not sure if it still applies, but most of the US models had LE attached to the model name, which I believe signified a different sound setup for the US market.

Regards

Bill




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Don't shoot Wersi for some demo's

I have heared the Wersi in one room on the same PA with Tyros 2, PA800, G70, SD5... and it sounded by far superior then those others...

Just the price is still above my budget and they try to make you pay for every update....

I've heard Wersi demos that sounded great.., but I'm sorry Wersi must be out of their f$*$&% minds (in today's day and age with technology) to expect customers to drop that kind of dough on a keyboard and then continue to pay over the years for OS updates.

Hi Squeak_D

If it’s an upgrade OS (Not update) then it is no different to a user buying a Tyros 2 to replace their Tyros 1, with exception that the software upgrade costs a fraction of the price.
Virtually every OAS update has been free; the exception was Drums 2007 which in my opinion should have been free, (Not an option) as while it contained a few extra drum kits, it was essentially just reworked drum samples. (And there are boat loads of free drum samples available anyway, so you can make your own kit up)

Regards

Bill

Wersi has such a tiny retail presence globally, that I can think of no good reason for them to not have some compelling demos online. Other than being unable to create any, of course.

Their market is a handful of misty-eyed pensioners, who are apparently willing to be parted from their retirement lump sums thinking that buying one will make them sound like Klaus Wunderlich circa 1980.

The problem for me is that i have never heard a wersi sound great. I have heard great players play a wersi in a particular genre playing mostly theatre organ or 60's pop organ but thats about it. Noone should complain about yamaha drums when hearing those demos as wersi have not updated their drums since the 70's if you judge them by your ears alone and not marketing text.I admire your sticking power Abacus with your support for the Wersi product but it seems to me that they have done abolutely nothing to earn your loyalty.

Hi Spalding

The Wersi suits me better than others at present, the future could be different.

If you think a Wersi sounds like a Theatre Organ, then the only thing I can say is that you have never heard a Theatre Organ, as the Wersi is crap, (Even if you buy the Theatre samples) get yourself a Roland Atelier if you want Theatre sounds on an entertainment organ. (As they are awesome)

Regards

Bill

In fairness, as I've posted before, their W series organs (Helios, Saturn, Galaxy etc) were the absolute pinnacle of the analogue era, IMO. Those instruments were market leaders worthy of their whopping price tags (or at least they were until we realised how unreliable they would prove to be).

Unfortunately, in the digital era, they've always been an also-ran. Not helped by a lack of long-term management/investment and woeful after-sales support. Frankly, they haven't made a single instrument since the mid 1980s that couldn't be bettered by something else for a fraction of the price.

And yet, the name continues, rather like a struggling car marque, clinging to the faded appeal of past glories...



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Hi Seamaster

In all polls of uses that own, have owned, or have known Wersi for a long time, its always the Wersi Spectra that comes out top, (The analogues are a fair way down) as when it was released in 1987 it was way ahead of anything on the market, (It was so good, it took Yamaha more than 3 years to get anywhere close, by which time Wersi added the Livestyle system with its (For then) massive 3MB of sample Ram and 18bit D/A converters)

From then on as we all know, the cost of developing Livestyle and the Grand Piano spin off bought Wersi to its Knees, and bankruptcy ensured.

Ironically the Livestyle and Grand Piano also saved the company, as theLivestyle instruments and technology won that many awards, the banks set up there own management team to run the company, and consequently during the 90s Wersi innovation pretty much went out of the Window.

The technology was eventually bought by Thomas, who still uses it in their instruments today. (Updated of course)

In fact the only true Wersi technology left is Thomas, as the OAS system was not invented or conceived by current Wersi, as they just took over a prototype from Creamware.

Regards

Bill



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I played a Spectra and thought it hugely overrated. Yamaha's HX-1, unveiled the same year, was a much more compelling proposition. But don't take my word for it. Compare the residual values of the two instruments. That will tell you what the market thought, and continues to think.

Hi Seamaster

There are very few HX1s left around these days, whereas there are plenty of Spectra’s and their variations, which also sell at a much higher price then the HX1, so you have answered your own question.

The difference between the 2 was the way they generated sound, the HX1 used FM synthesis and the Spectra used Wavetable synthesis. (Exception was the drums on the Spectra which used samples)
If you were in to more of a synth type of sound then the Yamaha was probably the better, (Some fantastic brass sounds on there also) however if you were more into acoustic/Orchestral (Including Organ) sounds, the Spectra was the more realistic of the 2.

In the end it’s all down to personal choice as to which you prefer, (If you want to hear an HX1 sing, go and have a listen to Tony Stace, as it still produces some great sounds in his hands) and as to price, (New) when you added all the features on both instruments the prices were about the same.

Also note that in the UK and Europe the Spectra outsold the HX1.

Regards

Bill

There are many, and all still working, unlike the majority of Wersi instruments of similar age.



No they don't.



Again, not correct, the HX-1 offered AWM (sampled waveforms) as well as FM tone generation.

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Yes you are correct there

Specifically Piano 1, Piano 2, Marimba, Strings and Pipe organ which were polyphonic for U/L manuals

Pipe Organ, String Bass, Wood Bass, Electric Bass and Timpani which were monophonic for best use on the pedals

60 Drum instruments (The Spectra had 112)

If memory serves correct they were either 8 or 12 bit resolution (Can’t remember which)

Also all voices on the Spectra were polyphonic (Although they could be switched to mono if required) and could be used anywhere on the instrument, rather then being split into sections.
In addition the Spectra was continually updated with new technologies, right up to about 1998, whereas to update the HX1 you had to replace it with the ELX1.

Regards

Bill

Actually Bill, the Yamaha HX-1, used AWM (sampled acoustic sound) for some it's voices and percussion.

I spent quite some time with one and it was(and still is) an amazing instrument.

Ian