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#244403 - 10/08/08 12:27 PM
Tyros 3 WHO ? Many Sales Reps are CLUELESS
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Registered: 06/24/08
Posts: 3131
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so i call Guitar Center and Sam Ash in the NY/NJ area, and ask for keyboard dept.
i then ask rep: do you have the Tyros 3 on the floor?
rep says? Tyros..Tyros...let me see.. That's a Korg right?
you kidding? why are the people working @ these stores so ignorant and clueless?
i remember back in the days, not only did they know the makes, models, etc, they new how to demo stuff, they knew how to play the stuff, they knew the differences amongst the instruments, they knew how to edit/program, etc,
nowadays it seems like they're last job was stockboy at the local A&P, ShopRite,
how sad...
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#244412 - 10/09/08 05:23 AM
Re: Tyros 3 WHO ? Many Sales Reps are CLUELESS
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Registered: 10/08/00
Posts: 4715
Loc: West Virginia
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There's another very important factor not mentioned. Yes..., the pro arranger is out of touch with the younger market. That has been obvious for years and clearly the makers target a more mature group for the sales of the high end arrangers.
The younger market (from what I've seen) do want an arranger, but the problem is that NO arranger to date really caters to the modern music. I'm not talking electronica either like Hip Hip, Dance, Rap, ect.., but the more traditional styles today have changed and even the high end arrangers do not reflect this. The arrangers still tend to favor the more old school forms of these styles.
Plus the younger generation are seeing the price tag on these things and shittin their pants on the spot! The younger crowd is going to the WS because they get more modern styles of music from them..., and for them it's a no brainer when they see a Motif XS6 selling for $2199 and the Tyros 3 selling for $3899.
I can't tell you how many times I've talked to someone in their 20's who were lucky enough to find a high end arranger to test.., but were completey turned off by the styles and the price.
These things cost a fortune because for years the target market (the home player) has beeen willing to pay this price. I still say that the problem is what a Yamaha rep told me several years ago regarding the target market for the high end arrangers.. The major problem with that way of thinking now is that TIMES HAVE SERIOUSLY CHANGED, and that "disposable income" isn't as disposable as it used to be for many of those buyers today.
The prices need to come down simple as that. There's no reason a 61 key arranger from Yamaha designed for the home player, and targeted at the home player (which can be seen by it's overall construction)..., should cost more than Yamaha's top end 88 key workstation. That in itself makes no sense. One being an arranger and the other workstation means NOTHING.., as there is NOTHING that truely justifies such a huge price gap between the two. Some of you guys say styles styles styles, yet really haven't a clue as to how much work goes into the drum patterns and arps on a WS.
A good example...., look at the budget mid line arrangers. Look at the price of the S-900 for example..., then compare that to the price of these budget workstations. Even the budget arranger market is higher (even though these keyboard are also built with the home player in mind).
As long as people are willing to pay these sky-high jacked prices on these arrangers, they have no reason to make them more affordable. The price doesn't just affect the buyer either. You also don't see them in stores because of the cost to the dealers as well.
Keyboard departments are VERY expensive to run. The cost to get them set up is enough to change a store owners mind. I was helping a friend who owns a local music store who wanted to set up a keyboard department and have me run it for him. In the end after talking to all the reps (he almost physically threw the Yamaha rep out the door due to the minimal purchase he would have to make and then being told his store had to be moved around in order to sell them.., even though he already had a keyboard section reserved), but the overall cost of getting it up and running was just too much for him.
[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 10-09-2008).]
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