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#244368 - 10/09/08 04:13 PM Re: Roland Juno Stage Demo
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The Stage only has a few drum loops, and an arpeggiator, not styles per se. That is the GW-8 with a 61 keyboard. Nothing to stop you recording your arranger's audio output to MP3 for each song, though, and using the built-in player for backing, or using a drums SMF of the tune's groove you want to do, and do the LH bass thing like he does in the demo (or a bass and drums SMF of the song if you prefer). Plenty of options, but no styles, per se...

The problem you are having with the piano is because you use a mono amp, and the phasing on the Yamaha's main piano is particularly bad (although all stereo piano sounds suffer to one degree or another when collapsed to mono). If you change to a stereo PA, this should go away, IMO...

My G70's piano changes a BIT when played in mono, but not as much as Yamaha's (I'd love to hear how well the new T3 piano collapses to mono... anyone?). It's just the nature of playing true stereo material through a mono amp...

I have a nasty feeling Yamaha exaggerate the width by adjusting the phase of the L & R sides a bit (it's how cheaper effects are made to sound wider than they really are) to make it sound impressive on the built in speakers, but when collapsed to mono it introduces more phasing and the resultant EQ weirdness than leaving the thing alone and having a less dramatic stereo speaker sound. But this is just conjecture on my part...

I must admit, most of what I'd like to see in a simple stage keyboard (rather than an arranger) seems to have been nailed with the Juno Stage. As long as the MIDI is flexible enough to add maybe a Nord for Hammond stuff, this might be almost perfect...
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#244369 - 10/09/08 05:06 PM Re: Roland Juno Stage Demo
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One sad omission, though, is no Mark/Jump capability for SMF's...

God, I wish that EVERYTHING had this ability..! It kind of makes using styles almost moot. If you are playing standards, why tie up your LH playing the same chords over and over again? So you can rearrange the song as needs demand, you say...

And that's exactly what the Mark/Jump buttons do. I often record my arranger's output to an SMF, with an intro, and ending, then two heads, one quiet, and one lively, and a vamp section. Put in Markers for the quiet section, the lively section, the vamp and the ending, and I can play the song any way I want to, any time, including key changes, etc..

Now I have two free hands... perfect

Only thing better is the Chord sequencer, where I used to be able to change variations, fills and even styles while the machine played the chords for me (once I had put them in the first time through)... Sadly, RIP

We need to start to insist this Mark/Jump ability is on ANT SMF player. It is just TOO useful to give up
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#244370 - 10/09/08 07:22 PM Re: Roland Juno Stage Demo
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Registered: 05/20/05
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Diki

What keyboard has this Mark/Jump capability?
Sounds like a good idea.
Can you use it on midi files that I would create?

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#244371 - 10/10/08 11:07 AM Re: Roland Juno Stage Demo
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AFAIK, the current Roland E and G series have this, The Tyros have this (don't know about S900... anyone?) and I think Korg does too (Wersi as well, before Bill chimes in )...

It is easy to add to user content (at least Roland, haven't used the other kinds), but probably not cross-platform (in other words, Markers put in on a Roland probably don't get seen by a Yamaha, etc.)

Yamaha's system has the advantage of a loop as well as hand activated markers. Hit the button twice (or something, I don't remember) and it loops that marker section. Nice idea...
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