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My Dealer quoted me a price for T3 in Pennsylvania, USA!
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I have a great dealer in the U.S., and it's Alto Music in New York. I've dealt with this dealer before and they are very fair, and service is exceptional. I live in Pennsylvania, and I've found them to me the most responsive to me.
Here is the latest email I received from Alto Music:

Hi Stan,

The Tyros 3 will sell for $3269.99. They are due to arrive the first week of October if all goes well.

Best Regards,

Chris Saulpaugh - Keyboards / Pro Audio
keyboards@altomusic.com
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Alto Music of Orange County, Inc.
180 Carpenter Avenue
Middletown, NY 10940
P: 845-692-6922 x 117
F: 845-346-0016
M-F: 10-8, Sat: 10-6, Sun: 11-5 www.altomusic.com

Ps. This is LESS than I paid for my Tyros 2! It was $3499.00!

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-04-2008).]

WOW..., that's less than the current Tyros 2! How many does this store buy in a shippment to sell them at this price.

Zzounds.com has the new T3 listed at $3899.95

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 09-03-2008).]

Hurry Squeak put your order in ASAP

That's roughly 10 up from dealer cost so they're working on a small profit margin for sure. Sometimes you need to make little profit just to be competitive with the likes of GC. At least they are discounting it. I'm sure some unscrupulous dealers will charge near list or MAP pricing.

I recently bought a PA2x from them, and they were the best price I could find -- and I searched. They were quick to deliver and shipping was very cheap.

A+

Chony

I paid $2,800 for my T2 and I bought it the week it came out... All you have to do is search and make a few extra phone calls. I bought four keyboards altogether from my dealer, but lately he's raised his prices a lot higher ... I think Alto's Music is very reasonable, and based on my experience with him, you won't find much lower.

That price can be beaten, no problem.

Give me a call,

DNJ ?

You didn't give me a try?

Chony, did you give me a chance at that price?

I'm hurt

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[This message has been edited by frankieve (edited 09-04-2008).]

There you go problem solved, So I guees the T3 won't be so bad @ $3300 dollars. I sure non chain dealers like sam ash, gc will be able to provide great prices. I'm hoping that the audya will be a lot less. I reach out to Frank V. when its released and take it for a spin.

[This message has been edited by mc (edited 09-04-2008).]

This dealer is about 15 minutes from my house and I have been doing business with Alto music for at least 15 years. Chris and I are good friends. I have directed many folks over to them for business in the past. Mention my name and Chris might knock off a few more dollars.

Chony didn't you email me over at KorgForums about what I paid for my Pa2xpro?

Just so you know, they have 3 locations now and their flagship store in Middletown is the size of a BIG BOX hardware store, it's huge. Check them out at www.altomusic.com


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Al Giordano
Visit us at ARRANGER WORLD! http://www.arrangerworld.com

Korg Pa2xpro, Roland VK8-M, DW Collectors Series Drums, Roland TD-12 Vdrums, Roland SPD-S.

[This message has been edited by kbrkr (edited 09-04-2008).]

Frank has beat any other dealers price that I tried. Give him a shot. He's a first class dealer make no mistake. I purchased my Tyros 2 from Alto Music as well, but at that time I really didn't know Frank and he wasn't a Yamaha dealer.

Frankie.......I'm just the messenger with this info I'm not ready to buy until the Audya & new Roland come to market......
As you well know, YOU ARE MY FIRST PHONE CALL Always when I make a purchase of a KB or anything else in Musical gear or electronics.
Don't be hurt be HAPPY!!
http://www.audioworksct.com/

Ladies & Gentleman FRANK is Da Man!!!

Check him out asap!


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[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 09-04-2008).]

I didn't know you were a dealer. What price would you have given for a Pa2x? Or for a T3 for that matter?

And now that we're talking, do you sell ultimate stands? I'm interested in one of their Apex Column stands...

It's good to see dealers are dickering on the T3 price. The sticker shock is not as bad as I thought it would be which is a good thing. Kudos to Yamaha for keeping the T3 price competitive and in some cases lower than competition for a comparable 61 key totl arranger. Albeit, the Roland E-80 and Korg Pa1X do have internal speakers which are a boon to a lot of arranger players and something that some cannot sacrifice without. I'm not sure if Korg will make a PA2X 61 key with speakers but you never know I suppose.

Best,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 09-04-2008).]

The Ketron Audya will be a lot more than the Yamaha T3 (about $5500.)
I am really getting worried when I see dealers selling far below MAP prices. The margins just don't justify the low price. It is very difficult to stay in business with all the costs today of rent, insurance, help and a growing number of lower and lower priced instruments and accessories. If you don't maintain a decent margin of profit, you just keep trying to pay your bills and keep your head above water.
I've seen my friend Dan O open a retail music store a few years ago in Maryland,and face the same problems we all are experiencing. He's no longer in business. It's tough out there and when I see a product that hasn't even begun to ship and see the price war beginning to take shape, I get concerned. Yes, you get a great deal but the dealer can't stay in business anymore without making a reasonable profit.


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

They did. It's called the PA800 and is otherwise identical to the Pa2x.

That is the blessing and curse of capitalism. Many of us musicians feel the same heat when a newbie kid hits the market with cut-throat prices. The CD stores have all been burned by iTunes, and we're almost at the point where a movie store is a relic of the past.

If you're taking suggestions, I would suggest you set up an amazing website and submit it to google and other search engines so that it shows up when people search under "shopping" (this is the first place I look for anything).

I appreciate your suggestion about the website. However, I like being a brick and mortar store that's been here for 39 years and although I have enjoyed many of the members here buying from me for years, I don't want to become an internet store. Coming to forums and chat rooms allow me to know more personally my customers but when shoppers who find my kayesmusicscne.com webpage contact me, most of the time it's not a "real" customer and I don't have the time to spend finding this out.
I really prefer the old fashioned way of coming into a store and shopping in your local community, but I'm not blind to what the internet has done to mom and pop businesess. I'm just venting here, and we will se what the future holds for smaller shops the next few years.
Thanks again for your input.


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

Just my 2 cents !

Diversify , that is the key , if you are able to do more with what you have, maybe you can make it.

Just a thought.

Gary 

Hi George,

Just to clarify..
Going out of business did not have a lot to do with margin as it did many other issues.
If I had listened to my gut vs an attorney, I'd still be in business. If any one wants details, email me privately.


IMO, Donny's private email should remain "private", ..

I am certain Alto Music did not intend for this to be posted on a public forum, it could cause them serious problems for them.

Dan O'

I agree , pricing publicly is never a good idea.

In Donny`s defense he copied and pasted from somewhere else.

There will be more info in the future , if all goes as planed.

NO pricing info , just the facts as they pertain to the T-3.

Gary 

http://www.yamahapkowner.com/forum/index.php?topic=15269.0

This info was publicly posted here...

Is a dealer verbal 'quote', over the phone (or privately, over the internet), for a product not yet in stock legally binding?

If not, I would be leery about whether a price quote like this actually becoming reality at the end of the day...

Look, guys, it just doesn't make sense... The MSRP and the MAP have BOTH gone up from the T2, yet here is just ONE dealer managing to quote a price LESS than the T2 sold for (while all the other dealers have gone up in price). Dealer cost hasn't gone down, you can be assured (look at the exchange rates, for Pete's sake!)...

Just remember... if it looks too good to be true, it probably isn't.

The Tyros 3 quote was definitely over dealer cost so the chance of the dealer selling it for that price is plausible. When the Tyros 2 was introduced dealer cost was lower than that of the Tyros 3 but most dealers weren't discounting it and why I'm not sure. Its easy to get a great deal if you know where to look.

I do know that if the dealer lists a lower than MAP price on a web site or in a sales flyer Yamaha would be all over the dealer and threaten to pull the line from them. Most manufacturers have a MAP price and when a dealer advertises a lower price it immediately draws attention to them.

I'm sure Alto Music will have a Yamaha rep contact them after seeing the quote that was given. Granted the quote was a personal quote from an e-mail and should not have been posted on the net, but Yamaha doesn't care. Their interest is to protect their MAP price and make sure dealers sell at a specific price.

I'd like to chime in a bit myself.

I started off about 20 years ago selling and installing car audio systems. Back then you had to give a kidney and your first born to be a dealer of certain products.
But of course then there became distributors then little 1 man garages that had no idea and killed price point service and knowledge. So something I was selling at $699, they would sell at $399 with no knowledge or true support.

The same has happened with my Home Electronics business, I actually buy some of my stuff from Amazon because I can get it cheaper then from my suppliers.

Now in the musical instrument area which I have only been doing for a couple of years, I have noticed that the big box internet places have been able to get rid of service and knowledge by allowing people to purchase a keyboard, use it for 30 days and then return it. I can not in any was, shape or form do this. the only thing I can do is help with the pre-purchase so that hopefully there will not be any returns.

As for the Low, low Tyros 3 prices that are out there, A dealer can do couple of things,

1 is to match or beat that price, in doing that there is no room for answering phone calls, spending countles hours heloing with midi files, vocalizer settings, and so forth, but you will sell keyboards

2 stick to your guns and sell them for the price you choose and include your service and knowledge

Long story short, everyone can do what they want to do, if it's bad business practice, then that store will eventually close. I have been going for almost 20 years so I might be doing something right?

OF course I would love to sell a Tyros 3 for full MAP. that would make paying my bills ( I am a brick and mortar store) allot easier.

But I can't afford to compete with the big guys, I'm not in a highly visible traffic area, or hi-income area, my store is so hidden I can't find it sometimes.

So I'm out of this discussion, if we were all so smart we would all be millionaires.

Having been in my own very small business a while back, ( not related to music ) I understand the concerns of the business owners here on the forum and those that support them. I've always thought them to have been very helpful and I've never felt that any ( George Frank, DanO ) tried to pressure me in any way or oversell here. I have total respect for you guys.


That said, I also feel compelled to speak up on behalf of Alto in general and Chris in particular. Chris is always a gentleman. He never ever has tried to push any keyboard on me, never overhyped any of them, and he understands what I'm looking for and will tell me honestly, "Probably not what you're looking for" if indeed that's the case.

Because of his genuine sincerity, he has prevented me from making a purchase or three over the years, ( way more than that to be honest about it ), especially with software synths and apps. He knows his products and knows his customers. He always takes as much time as I need to explain what he sees and doesn't see in a product, and on those rare occasions when he can't compete on an item, he has pointed me where to go.

Alto was a small hole in the wall store some 25 years ago when I made my first purchase, a small guitar amp that I still have today. They were there for me and helped me out when noone from Yamaha seemed to want to address my buggy psr2000. For many many weeks I tussled with Yamaha. Once they got in the middle, the problem was solved almost immediately.

Quotes are given by email for a reason. It is not their fault that the quote was posted. Yamaha shouldn't try to correct them... they should thank their lucky stars for having dealers like them. Were it not for the way they helped me, after what I went through with the PSR2k, there is no WAY I'd have ever purchased anything Yamaha again. Instead, since that time, I've purchased a Motif, Motif ES, and Tyros 2, Yamaha acousic guitar and a DD65 drum machine.

They are always among the best on prices for any gear, and their service is, at least in my years of dealing with them, impeccable. What's so wrong with that?

AJ