Hello,

It looks like I need a long drive to test these out since no close music shop has them in stock, so it would be very helpfull if any of you has experience with The powered hotspot.

Thanks for comment's

Fred
http://www.galaxyaudio.com/PA5XD.jsp

We used them years ago......they are loud enough. Flexible to use on a mic stand etc, etc as a monitor only, ......kind of thin on the robust sound.
I didn't keep it long as I remember...a better choice might be....The Fender 1270P
Small, bigger speaker, lightweight, powerful..
http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0711271010

Ditto what Donny said. Or consider the Roland CM-30, that's what I have.
CM-30


[This message has been edited by cassp (edited 06-12-2008).]

Whoops I forgot about the Roland CM30's also good choice too

I will blow the cm30 to heaven within an hour...
I tested those and they couldn't produce the lower sound's of the VR760. Even on very low volume! And I need high volume!
This is in a rockband situation where the keys go thru the PA. I do have a heavy monitor which works great but The Weight start's to hurt...

Thanks Donny, will see or I can find them somewhere in the Netherlands...

[This message has been edited by freddynl (edited 06-12-2008).]

Freddy, I understand your predicament; I had a VR-760 and almost nothing under 12" will support that fullness. Some would say you could use a 10" powered monitor, but I don't like 10's for keyboards. The Fender might work or maybe a Mackie SRM350. I doubt the Hotspot will give you what you're looking for. Good luck.

Your very welcome Freddy..good luck!

Yes, Freddy..! We've got altogether too many senior citizen OMB's (and some not so senior!) making all kind of equipment recommendations that haven't played with a live drummer, yet alone a rock band for YEARS (if ever!). It is all too easy to forget what kind of sound pressure levels are needed (and fullness of sound) to keep up with even a moderately self-controlled drummer, let alone the usual half-deaf 'Animal' wannabe that you are often faced with, especially by the end of the fourth set (and the second fifth ).

Everyone should go do a quick gig a couple of times a year with a real band, just to remind yourself what REAL music sounds like (and how to play it!), and what REAL band levels are...

Then you might start putting a few caveats into the equipment recommendations you make. Like 'Don't EVER use this with a real drummer'!

Fred, used powered Hot Spots for years and use an unpowered one now. Power handling is great. Problem is, they're near field monitors that aren't designed for full range reproduction.
Good for a singer to tell if he/she's on pitch, but not, in my opinion, good for what I bought them for years ago or for what you're needing.

Russ

I got supplied an un-powered HotSpot as a key monitor in a live band recently, and I was very pleasantly surprised at how loud and clear it could go. But there's one big caveat... This was a full band, so my G70 wasn't doing the bass and drums, just the keyboard parts. So the lack of a full bass in the sound wasn't a problem - actually, a plus, because monitors really shouldn't have too much bottom on them, or the stage sound gets very muddy quickly!

The other thing is that you need to get them in as close as you are comfortable with, as this will let you run them quieter, and quieter means cleaner... So, a pair of these in the traditional arranger speaker position (just like a beefed up regular speaker-ed arranger, but angled at you instead of straight up) would probably do the job very nicely in a band situation at quite high levels, but I sure wouldn't want to use them as FOH

Thanks so far for all the comments.
Keep them coming as it seems there are no options in europe..

Fender 1270 all over BUT no 1270P, apparantly there's no 220 volt model.

Galaxy Hotspot no powered model in stock..
UK has them, but since there's some water between UK and the Netherlands the trip costs more as the monitor..

Tried almost all other brands I could think of and there's no other small powered monitor model.

I really need one as it will also serve very well in small places where there's not enough room. We just use our backline in these places, which means I use a keyboard amp and often standing almost above the keyboard amp. Stacking is no option since I have my Fender Twin on top of the keyboard amp. To hear something from the keyboard amp I send a line thru the Twin in these cases but while switching guitar/KB I often forget to switch channels...so...... any other Models/Brands ????

Fred

You're right, Diki. I use mine on a mike stand aimed right at me, about 24 inches from my head. The ohm changing dial allows me to alter the volume appropriately, and still fill the room with a third cabinet into that side of the PA. I come out of one side of a stereo Pa amp.

Light and good for my needs. I also play small venues with a keyboard amp with the non-powered Hot Spot plugged into the 2nd speaker jack. For quick set-ups, I lay the Hot Spot on the Amp and just point it in my direction.

Works for me!


Russ

Russ, isn't changing the OHm risky business?? You could blow your amp this way.

Don't think so, Fred. The adjustment goes down to 32 ohms. Of course, you've got to be sure that, on the other side, you don't go below the minimum combined resistance, but, other than that, you don't hurt anything. I can actually run one in line with 2 8 ohm cabinets at 8 ohms on a system that will run comfortably at a minimum of 2.

You can sure blow up a power amp if the load is less than the specs. The ohm dial is pretty handy and a way to protect the system if set right. Many times, I line out of the main PA into a Carvin keyboard amp and use the Hot Spot out of the extension speaker kack. then, I don't need to fool with the Ohm dial, just the main power on the Carvin. When I use the Carvin as a fill amp, i may need to raise the volume on the Carvin and increase the resistance via the ohm dial to get the monitor volume where I need it. Been using one on small jobs since the mid-80's. they last until the outside heat and sun deteriorates the plastic frame. I toss it and get another one.

Russ

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Donny,

The FBT is around Euro 500,-- which is pretty expensive, and also hard to find in the Netherlands.
For that price I wanna hear it first, and we do not have send back possibilities in europe like you have in USA.

Anyway I found something in Germany (Craaft)which might work and very cheap (euro 98,--) Never heard of the brand, but it seems they are also producing the monitors for Solton. Since the price is low I bought one in their Ebay shop and just took the risk.
Specs are promising 80hz - 18.000hz, which is probably low enough for the vr760

(see the weblink below)

I let you know how it works out.

Thanks guys for taking the time to look for alternatives and your comments.

Fred
http://shop.kirstein.de/shop/default.aspx?TY=item&ST=1&IT=4884

80-18kHz doesn't mean a thing until it is matched with the db figures for the same.

It could mean flat from 80-18k (very unlikely) it could mean 80-18k at -3db, it could mean 80-18k at -9db... (all utterly different in sound).

Don't let specs fool you. They are just like statistics. Easily bent to display what the vendor WANTS you to think.

94db max starting at 80hz (see specs)

I know I take a risk, but small since the price is very low...

I don't need a sparkling low tone on the monitor, but I need a monitor capable of producing the low tones of the vr760 sound without distortion, so that the middle tones come out audible instead of distorted.
Starting at 80hz instead of 200hz will give a higher chance that this will work.



[This message has been edited by freddynl (edited 06-15-2008).]

Sorry, Freddy, but those two stats are not related.

94db is how loud the thing can possibly go, regardless of frequency. In fact, you would definitely blow the thing up attempting to get an 80hz tone up to 94db (which is pretty loud). You'll get that figure from a predominantly mid-ranged signal, a full range signal (such as an arranger) will break up LONG before that figure is reached....

Frequency stats are usually given in a xxHz-xxkHz + or - xdb format, meaning it can cope with frequencies over a given range, with a certain amount of drop-off at the extremes. The greater the amount of drop-off (if even given) means how well or poorly it performs at those extremes.

Likewise with max volume stats. A max db, without corresponding distortion figures is equally meaningless. SURE, it can go to 94db... but how distorted is it by the time it gets there?

Generally, anytime you see a manufacturer post figures that don't qualify his stats, you can pretty much be assured that in the REAL world, it cannot even remotely approach those figures.

Caveat emptor

Good news,

Yesterday I received the small cheap Craaft active monitor. I had to play last night so could test immediately...

No problems at all. Incredible loud and no distortion.
The cheapest way worked best..

Diki,

I saw your latest comment... This is not what I meant.
I meant IF capable of receving as low as 80HZ, there is a higher chance that it can produce undistorted sounds from the VR760.
It is not very important how loud these low sounds are since as low as 80hz is rarely used. But if you send a 80z signal to a speakersystem which cannot handle these low signals properly you will have distortion.
All other affordable small active monitors start at 200hz, which in my opinion was a big part of the problem.
Anyway problem solved and my back is very pleased with this..

Fred