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#235537 - 06/07/08 02:36 PM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4716
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Hopefully I'll be able to post some stuff some day. I have a busy schedule with these gigs and my chemical business. That said, 4th qrt 2008 goals: 1. Do a CD to sell live 2. Finish my web site WITH demos 3. Get the AX-7 into my act 4. Get nice promo pics 5. Get a professional marketing package The problem I have is running all day and night, coming home at 9 - 10:00 and trying to find time to do anything, yet alone what some here are requesting. I want to do it right and promise to do so down the road. In the meantime, I'll curb my enthusiasm. BTW Diki, how can you do outside FL jobs? I played a 3 hour gig outside (90F) and damn near passed out
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Studio: Korg PA4X/Yamaha DGX670/Yamaha PSR SX900/Boss BR900CD/Tascam DP24SD/MTM Iloud/Senn 935/K&M stand/Shure SM57/Sony C80 (2)/Blue Encore 300
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#235540 - 06/07/08 03:05 PM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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Played a double last year in 117ºF heat index. 1pm to 9 at night! BRUTAL... LOTS of water, a good silent fan, shade (mandatory!), plenty of towels to wipe your hands on, and a nice dip in the pool between sets (wear swimming shorts )... Wipe down your keyboard at the end of every gig (if not at the end of every set). Sweat KILLS electronics. Cover the keyboard when not playing it (salt air corrosion is another killer), clean jacks and cords regularly, and NEVER play in direct sunlight. Those fancy touch-screen arrangers do NOT like to get hot. I let sunlight get on my G70 one time for less than five minutes. Display went gnarly black for about ten minutes while I took it inside to cool off (it came back OK, though). This year, so far, not so much outside day stuff as before, more night stuff. A nice change. Last night in Panama City Beach it was hot and extremely humid for an outside bar. Still, not too bad (in comparison )! I guess just getting used to it (been doing this for years) and learning to drink lots of water (not sodas or beer!)... At least the girls in bikinis make it all worthwhile I look forward to the website, but if you have already got some live stuff recorded (do you have the MP3 recorder option in your PA800?), no harm jumping the gun and posting to something like Createsongstyles.com or one of the arranger forums that host files... BTW, it will be humid and in the mid-80º's (heat index) for our 8-11pm-er tonight. At least there's no problem getting the crowd to sweat!
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#235547 - 06/08/08 12:33 AM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5347
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Hi Lee Try a Wersi as it does both at a cost less then 2 TOTL hardware arrangers, not forgetting less work to set up and carry around. You then move on to the most exciting part, in that you can do things with Wersi that are just dreams for owners of hardware arrangers. Oh and before I forget, the updates are free, and the upgrades are cheaper then changing a hardware board to another one. (The improvements are normally also far greater then changing a hardware board) BTW the SD2 works great with the Wersi, as minimal setup is required. (You get all the sounds of the SD5 to add to your arsenal, for a ridiculously low price). Always consider all options; just don’t expect 1 arranger to suit everyone; however what I can say is that when anyone has actually tried a Wersi live, they are normally amazed at its sounds and capabilities. Regards
Bill
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#235548 - 06/08/08 01:25 AM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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Please! Wersi updated (unless you count simple software ones, which are free for all other arrangers, too) are anything but free. Here's a quote from the Wersimusic site... "After the release of version 5.0 software, the need for faster processing became more important to the performance of the Instrument hardware. We are currently offering a hardware upgrade to greatly increase the performance and stability of the OAS software. This new hardware is compatible with all versions of software and will increase the capabilities and reliability of the OAS instruments. This upgrade comes complete with new mainboard, processor, RAM, and power supply to replace all older components. Instructions and technical support is also provided with this update. Please contact our Service Center for more information." Sound free to you? The thing about software driven synths and arrangers is, just like computers, you want to run the latest software, you got to have the latest hardware too. Trying to run todays software on yesterdays computer is an exercise in futility. Same thing when there is a keyboard housing it, IMO...
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#235549 - 06/08/08 01:38 AM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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I quote the following from Wersi club International "Sunday, 7 October 2007 Price List for Latest Upgrades I offer the following translation of the latest price-list for the new items as referred to in the latest Wersi News. I do not guarantee the accuracy of this translation - it should be viewed only as a guide. We also do not know if these costs apply outside Germany. 3000200 Real Drums with Wave Player incl. Style software... 895.00 € 4003190 Open Art Arranger – new accompaniment software for OAS-Ver 7... 650.00 € 7010110 10 Inch TFT-TouchDisplay for KS1 / GS500, retrofit... 690.00 € 7010120 10 Inch TFT-TouchDisplay for GS700 / GS1000, retrofit... 990.00 € 7084205 Varnished Frames for 10" displays, for all models. Extra charge... 125.00 € 7010135 **New Rhythm Panel for OAA. Retrofit for KS1 / GS500... 290.00 € 7010145 **New Rhythm Panel for OAA. Retrofit for GS700 / GS1000... 390.00 € 7084210 **New Rhythm Panel varnished for KS1 / GS500 Special offer.Extra charge... 105.00 € 7084220 ** New Rhythm Panel varnished for GS700 / GS1000 Special offer.Extra charge... 125.00 € **only possible with models having the software Flash installed Complete PLUS full retrofit package Abacus KS1 + Verona GS500 Complete PLUS upgrade for KS1 / GS500 for self-assembly incl. delivery... 1650.00 € With varnish pre-spraying... 1880.00 € Complete PLUS upgrade for KS1 / GS500 for assembly by Wersi technician... 1786.00 € With varnish pre-spraying... 2016.00 € Scala GS700 and Louvre GS1000 Complete PLUS upgrade for GS700 / GS1000 for Self-assembly incl.delivery... 2050.00 € With varnish pre-spraying... 2300.00 € Complete PLUS upgrade for GS700 / GS1000 for assembly by Wersi technician... 2186.00 € With varnish pre-spraying... 2436.00 € Service and Advice 9000305 Service charge for Upgrade on 10" displays with home Installation : duration according to model 1-2 hrs; price / hr... 68.00 € All-inclusive delivery by postal dispatch (only for self-installation!)... 20.00 € With no exchanged LCD/TFT 8” screen the cost becomes 400€ plus VAT... 476.00 € 9000050 Cost of delivery-I for instruments within 50 km of Wersi... 50.00 € 9000051 Cost of delivery-II for instruments within 200 km of Wersi... 100.00 € 9000052 Cost of delivery-III for instruments per an additional 150 to 200 km... 30.00 € The complete package consists of: OpenArtArranger, 10 inch display TFT with frame, new Rhythm panel as well as 1 sound package to the value of 125.00 € free of charge. Real drums are not included within the complete package and, where they were not included in the original purchase of the instrument, must be ordered separately if required. Also the cost of varnish spraying has to be added if required! The above information is subject to change without further notice." Sound free to you?
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#235550 - 06/08/08 02:58 AM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5347
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Hi Diki Good job you had added the smiley face, as otherwise I would have thought that you were inferring that you had to purchase the screen and panel to stay up to date, which of course you don’t. (Nice to have the option though) You are quite correct about computer hardware updates, however they can be picked up off the shelf for little money. (How much does Roland charge to update your internal G70 HARDWARE?) Updates are Free (They are designated by an R) and are the equivalent of the Roland OS updates. Upgrades Cost (Although when you see what’s offered it would still be cheap at twice the price) and is the equivalent of buying a new keyboard. (Designation OAS?) The exception is the OAA, which is the equivalent of buying a brand new arranger section for your keyboard. (If you play live organ or use little backing you may not want it, so why pay for it, but again its nice to have it as an option) Soundpacks are options, and are the software equivalent of the of the Roland SRX cards, with the main difference being that you can have as many as you want, all running at the same time, rather then having to keep swapping boards. (Don’t see Roland giving SRX boards away) As I have said before the only way to find out about them is to try them (Which you also emphasize in many of your posts when something new comes out) and then make a decision (I can only give you my opinion, and opinions of others I have spoken too) Regards Bill
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#235554 - 06/08/08 11:43 AM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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Don't forget, if and when I upgrade to a newer Roland (or anything), I sell my current keyboard. For damn good money (I try to keep them as mint as possible, and with Roland's construction values, that's not difficult).
So the cost of 'upgrading' is the cost of a new arranger (minus the discount I negotiate for), and subtract the money I get for my old arranger, which I can sell with it's vast collection of heavily tweaked styles, SMFs, and highly tuned sound, which does NOT come on an OOTB arranger, and get back a fairly decent proportion of the original cost.
Sometimes I can even break even (like I did between G800 and G1000) by waiting a few months until one of the gadfly's unloads a new one they can't figure out, and get it for what I can sell my tweaked out old one. A free HARDWARE update! Not too shabby!
Look, don't get me wrong, there is MUCH to like in Wersi's. But they are anything but cheap, and keeping up with the software route is anything but free...
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#235556 - 06/09/08 02:45 AM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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I'm not playing so I can afford equipment. I'm playing so I can afford to LIVE! Now that's a LOT more expensive than a keyboard... Basically, I have always tried to not turn my equipment over too often. It's not that I can't afford it, it's just that, in the first place, I really believe that familiarity and comfort trumps the latest greatest every day of the week, especially if you are primarily a player (look at how many still cling to the B3 - perfection doesn't need an upgrade! ), and secondly, every new keyboard I get, I basically completely re-do my entire repertoire from the ground up. If it is THAT much better, it is that much different, and every sequence style and registration has to be completely re-done. That is a LOT (months) of work to get it where I want. I sure as hell don't want to re-do that every year or so 'Breaking even' for me is maybe the same way you think about all your myriad purchases... If you can't make your money back on it, it's a loss. You keep telling us you never lose money on the constant changing lineup of equipment you go through... So, either you are selling this gear for what you payed for it, or money you are making, that could go to putting food an the table, paying the bills, etc., is actually subsidizing your gear lust. If I can get another ten years or more out of the G70, and not change PA's for at least that long, even if we made exactly the same income, I would come out ahead, 'cause I didn't go through four arrangers and five PA's in the same period... (assuming you are not selling them for exactly what you paid for them ) At least, that's how I do the math!
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#235558 - 06/09/08 12:17 PM
Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7285
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Jim (Zuki), we'll help with photos and a web site. We're just down the road, as you know, and the price will be right. Look at LibertyallianceFCU.com or Murrays-Merrick.com. Those are two local sites we have done. We have lots of national and international work out there, and I'd show them to you privately (car manufacturers, foreign tool manufacturers, etc.). Don't usually do individual or retail work, and wouldn't for anyone else, but would be glad to help out if you'd like.
Plan to spend a 1/2 day here. It'll cost you lunch.
Be well,
Russ
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