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#235525 - 06/06/08 08:28 PM I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
mc Offline
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Before opinions flare up, these are just my own.
.........I wouldn't purchase one. The board has a nice look, key feel is fine, nice styles and voices, but besides a few new styles. I found it to be very close to the PA80 so far as styles and sounds. I did notice the guitars are a big improvement and some other sounds, but good amount of styles are repeated not only from pa80 but even older boards. I owned a PA80 at one time and I like it, but the PA800 wouldn't have made me jump and pick one up over the PA80. Not being negative about the board because it is a nice keyboard, for my personal tastes I would have pass...... Thanks,
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#235526 - 06/06/08 08:50 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Mc ....
The Pa800 is a super "feature packed" arranger...BUT Its not for everyone....The lack of styles is what turned me off as well even though I loved mostly everything else for live performance I still had to let it go..Yamaha offers so much more in the way of styles & sounds, but it too lacks features I need but Its a balancing workaround act only you can decide on. At least you gave it a shot. Hang in there more units will be out soon for sure

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#235527 - 06/06/08 09:09 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
zuki Offline
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I agree with each his/her own. I'm glad there are few PA800 enthusiasts, because it makes my act even more special. This is the best board on the planet people! Use your imagination and dig into the fabulous styles/sounds/pads/harmonizer/breaks/fills/songbook. Use every one of them and see how creative and fantastic you will sound...enough said. There is NO comparison between this and the S900 - it makes the latter sound like a Dollar Days toy.
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#235528 - 06/06/08 09:23 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Wow Zuki.......those are bold statments.
Im glad your enjoying your Korg this time around.

Good Luck

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#235529 - 06/06/08 10:30 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
zuki Offline
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Yes, a bit bold. I'm playing tons of jobs and my enthusiasm is running high for the 800. I apologize about my 900 statement. It's a great board too.
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#235530 - 06/06/08 11:20 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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Got anything online, Zuki, where we can here you using this great keyboard with all it's creativity and great sound?

I'd sure like to hear what you do with it (honestly )...

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#235531 - 06/07/08 03:28 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Hi,
may not only be the sounds as far as the guitars go, ( if you're refferring to guitars in the styles tracks?? that is.) . They've actually improved some of the styles with the new guitar mode function. So far they've only upgraded 20 or 30 of the styles with the new guitar mode tracks.
It's rather an interesting style creation function.

best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mc:
[B]I did notice the guitars are a big improvement and some other sounds,
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#235532 - 06/07/08 04:54 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 4351
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
I agree with each his/her own. I'm glad there are few PA800 enthusiasts, because it makes my act even more special. This is the best board on the planet people! Use your imagination and dig into the fabulous styles/sounds/pads/harmonizer/breaks/fills/songbook. Use every one of them and see how creative and fantastic you will sound...enough said.


Without trying to sound like a broken record I'm very happy with the Pa800's big brother the Pa2xPro. For my needs it does the job. Yup, it doesn't have the upteen different 3rd party styles available for Yammie I miss that for sure and with some tunes I have taken a different approach on how they are played. The board has given my cocktail hour type gigs a more contemporary sound with the Korg styles. The Songbook feature is the what I think to be the single best feature. I like the ability to easily create play lists vs the series of gig disks I use to create or borrow from others with my Tyros2. I find the playlist feature easy to use. Oh, did I mention 76 keys That's not to say that I'll never own another Yamaha or Roland arranger. I try to keep an open approach to what I use. What works this year may not work next year. I still own a Clavinova CVP 307 and wouldn't part with it, it's a great instrument and anytime I have doubts I made the wrong choice with the PA2xpro all I need do is sit at the Clav and I can reassure myself the Korg was the right choice this year..............



[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 06-07-2008).]

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#235533 - 06/07/08 05:35 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
...there are few PA800 enthusiasts...


Ahhhh well Zuki, that seems to sum up the PA-800's popularity quite neatly.

It's that good, nobody wants to buy one.

Still, I'm glad to hear you found the right instrument for your needs....good for you!

I hope for Korg's sake, your enthusiasm is catching.

Ian
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#235534 - 06/07/08 06:03 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Dnj Online   content
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Loc: NJ
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Got anything online, Zuki, where we can here you using this great keyboard with all it's creativity and great sound?

I'd sure like to hear what you do with it (honestly )...


Oh Boy here we go again

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#235535 - 06/07/08 07:35 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Jerry T Offline
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Registered: 09/23/05
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I'm very happy with the PA800 - only wish that Korg would offer a PA800 or PA2X in a module. I have wireless midi and I'd like the oppotunity to use portable controllers and move away from behind the keyboard and utilize all the features of the PA800.
Ciao,
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#235536 - 06/07/08 10:50 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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It's not a taunt, Donny. It's just that when someone glows so positively about something, and places it above all others so definitively, it is disappointing that they remain reluctant to demonstrate this superiority...

Me, if I've got something that is that amazing, I don't have any problem posting it, even knowing it will receive maybe extra scrutiny for the hyperbole I might have used. I either believe in it or I don't. If I believe in it, I don't NEED to convince others with rhetoric. A simple demo should do the job definitively...

It seems zuki has really learned all the ins and outs of his arranger from what he says. Now, why not SHOW us what all the fuss is about? It would certainly garner him quite a few more PA800 users if it lives up to his reviews.

I don't know about you, but I certainly give a lot more credence to someone who isn't unwilling to show us they aren't just making stuff up...

"This is the best board on the planet people!" and "see how creative and fantastic you will sound...enough said" are bold words. But I completely agree with Zuki... Enough SAID.

Now SHOW us

Pretty please...

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#235537 - 06/07/08 02:36 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
zuki Offline
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Hopefully I'll be able to post some stuff some day. I have a busy schedule with these gigs and my chemical business. That said, 4th qrt 2008 goals:

1. Do a CD to sell live
2. Finish my web site WITH demos
3. Get the AX-7 into my act
4. Get nice promo pics
5. Get a professional marketing package

The problem I have is running all day and night, coming home at 9 - 10:00 and trying to find time to do anything, yet alone what some here are requesting.

I want to do it right and promise to do so down the road.

In the meantime, I'll curb my enthusiasm.

BTW Diki, how can you do outside FL jobs? I played a 3 hour gig outside (90F) and damn near passed out
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#235538 - 06/07/08 02:45 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
zuki Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Ahhhh well Zuki, that seems to sum up the PA-800's popularity quite neatly.

It's that good, nobody wants to buy one.

Still, I'm glad to hear you found the right instrument for your needs....good for you!

I hope for Korg's sake, your enthusiasm is catching.

Ian



Ian,

I play different than most I suppose. It's not an instrument you just turn on, play a few chords and sound like a CD. It's all about exploring the capabilities if offers. Very few dare to tread......
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#235539 - 06/07/08 02:56 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
Posts: 3093
Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
[B]Hopefully I'll be able to post some stuff some day. I have a busy schedule with these gigs B]


Hi zuki

Doesn't the PA800 have the live record capability that goes directly to the thumb drive or hard drive? You should be able to record your gigs. Sometimes, I turn on my recorder and just let it go for the entire set. No need to fiddle between each song. Maybe Korg doesn't have this feature??

I also look forward to your excellent singing and am curious to see how the PA800 sounds. Especially the piano and horns, usually the Korg downfall to me as compared to the Yamaha. But then again, I haven't heard much of the 800 with decent recordings and have yet to try one live.

Best
Scott

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#235540 - 06/07/08 03:05 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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Played a double last year in 117ΊF heat index. 1pm to 9 at night! BRUTAL...

LOTS of water, a good silent fan, shade (mandatory!), plenty of towels to wipe your hands on, and a nice dip in the pool between sets (wear swimming shorts )...

Wipe down your keyboard at the end of every gig (if not at the end of every set). Sweat KILLS electronics. Cover the keyboard when not playing it (salt air corrosion is another killer), clean jacks and cords regularly, and NEVER play in direct sunlight. Those fancy touch-screen arrangers do NOT like to get hot. I let sunlight get on my G70 one time for less than five minutes. Display went gnarly black for about ten minutes while I took it inside to cool off (it came back OK, though).

This year, so far, not so much outside day stuff as before, more night stuff. A nice change. Last night in Panama City Beach it was hot and extremely humid for an outside bar. Still, not too bad (in comparison )!

I guess just getting used to it (been doing this for years) and learning to drink lots of water (not sodas or beer!)... At least the girls in bikinis make it all worthwhile

I look forward to the website, but if you have already got some live stuff recorded (do you have the MP3 recorder option in your PA800?), no harm jumping the gun and posting to something like Createsongstyles.com or one of the arranger forums that host files...

BTW, it will be humid and in the mid-80Ί's (heat index) for our 8-11pm-er tonight. At least there's no problem getting the crowd to sweat!

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#235541 - 06/07/08 03:09 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Dnj Online   content
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102 degrees here in NJ today YIKES!!

glad my big gig was indoors today 50th....
now I'll kick back & watch the Belmont stakes oh yeah!!

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#235542 - 06/07/08 03:51 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Loc: Columbia City, IN USA
Scott... The PA800/Pa2 Piano is absolutely superb. It is as good as my Kurzweil K2600 and PC3. And that's saying something. And the 76 keybed is very nice semi weighted.

As to brand sales etc....
I was curious, so I did some checking with a contact I have that is well connected to a particular Mfg's Japanese 'UPPER' management. Do not ask, my house would get blown up if I told!

Do you know which Mfg. is the leader in arrangers sales WORLD WIDE (This, of course includes the 'Middle East')?

I'll give you a hint, it's not Yamaha. I was kind of surprised to hear that. I guess everyone just assumes it? Who's #1 vs #2 vs #3 doesn't really matter to me as I pick what works best for me. I have even been looking at Ketron.

Lots of Pa800/PA2's have been sold...Lots.

Remember on here we don't get much input from 'some' parts of the world.

I currently have a T2 and a PA2. I Enjoy them both. Hope to check out the T3 soon!

I would much rather hear discussions on how folks use their arranger for music, including making styles, new sounds, use features to sound better etc....than to hear this brand is better or more sales than that brand...who cares.

I love to hear posts from music created on arrangers. My thanks to the people who have done this for us all to enjoy! Yes, some day I may even post something...when I get something worthy.

If I would find some time and get off my Butt and take some lessons from Scott I would be there sooner.

Lee
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#235543 - 06/07/08 04:59 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
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Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by leeboy:


Do you know which Mfg. is the leader in arrangers sales WORLD WIDE (This, of course includes the 'Middle East')?

I'll give you a hint, it's not Yamaha. I was kind of surprised to hear that. I guess everyone just assumes it?

Lee


I don't have inside info, but, I'm thinking that if you count all arranger's that #1 would be Yamaha and #2 would be Casio. Not, that it makes any dif to me.

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#235544 - 06/07/08 05:02 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
Posts: 3093
Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by leeboy:


If I would find some time and get off my Butt and take some lessons from Scott I would be there sooner.

Lee


Hey Lee, I'm still here
http://www.scottlmusic.com/Lessons.html

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#235545 - 06/07/08 05:25 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
George Kaye Offline
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Getting back to the first post from MC that many of the PA800 styles are the same as the past PA80 and other korg arrangers, I would like to add that although many styles are the same, using the RX voices throughout these styles makes the PA800 come alive which the PA80 could never come close to.
I would also like to mention that here in my store, where I sell both Yamaha and Korg, the number of things I can edit and change within the style track controls are way more on the Korg PA800 than on the Yamaha S900 or Tyros.
I really enjoy that Korg allows the player to switch the drum track played in any of the 4 variations to an additional 7 full variaitons of drum beats per variation 1 - 4. And I like that Korg allows you to change the Bass Drum and Snare drum within each of these variations. It's things like this that sets the Korg apart from many other arrangers.


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#235546 - 06/07/08 07:06 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Scott,
I haven't forgotten your offer for on-line lessons!
I am trying to get back to some good practicing when I have time now... then on to better things.

Scott, I thought it would be Yamaha too. But according to an executive in Japan that certainly should know...nope it's Korg.
LOTS of those go to Middle Eastern Countries, Europe etc. and that runs the count way up. US, Canada etc, are a small portion of overall arranger sales for all Mfg's.

Doesn't matter to me either.

Sometimes I just get a little tired of the 'XXX' is the best selling arrangers.
You have to look at it from a Global perspective.

George,
Yes if you want to have flexibilty in what you can do the Korg has it IMHO.
Yamaha seems like the more overall refined, what you get is great, just play it system. If you want the most 'In Your Face' sounds seems like Ketron has it? I don't have any Experience with Roland but I'm sure they have their strong points too.

Different strokes!

It's nice to have a choice in so many nice arranges today.

Lee
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#235547 - 06/08/08 12:33 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 4748
Loc: English Riviera, UK
Hi Lee
Try a Wersi as it does both at a cost less then 2 TOTL hardware arrangers, not forgetting less work to set up and carry around.
You then move on to the most exciting part, in that you can do things with Wersi that are just dreams for owners of hardware arrangers.
Oh and before I forget, the updates are free, and the upgrades are cheaper then changing a hardware board to another one. (The improvements are normally also far greater then changing a hardware board)
BTW the SD2 works great with the Wersi, as minimal setup is required. (You get all the sounds of the SD5 to add to your arsenal, for a ridiculously low price).
Always consider all options; just don’t expect 1 arranger to suit everyone; however what I can say is that when anyone has actually tried a Wersi live, they are normally amazed at its sounds and capabilities.
Regards

Bill
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#235548 - 06/08/08 01:25 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
Please! Wersi updated (unless you count simple software ones, which are free for all other arrangers, too) are anything but free.

Here's a quote from the Wersimusic site...

"After the release of version 5.0 software, the need for faster processing became more important to the performance of the Instrument hardware. We are currently offering a hardware upgrade to greatly increase the performance and stability of the OAS software. This new hardware is compatible with all versions of software and will increase the capabilities and reliability of the OAS instruments. This upgrade comes complete with new mainboard, processor, RAM, and power supply to replace all older components. Instructions and technical support is also provided with this update. Please contact our Service Center for more information."

Sound free to you?

The thing about software driven synths and arrangers is, just like computers, you want to run the latest software, you got to have the latest hardware too. Trying to run todays software on yesterdays computer is an exercise in futility. Same thing when there is a keyboard housing it, IMO...

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#235549 - 06/08/08 01:38 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
I quote the following from Wersi club International

"Sunday, 7 October 2007

Price List for Latest Upgrades

I offer the following translation of the latest price-list for the new items as referred to in the latest Wersi News. I do not guarantee the accuracy of this translation - it should be viewed only as a guide. We also do not know if these costs apply outside Germany.

3000200 Real Drums with Wave Player incl. Style software... 895.00 €
4003190 Open Art Arranger – new accompaniment software for OAS-Ver 7... 650.00 €
7010110 10 Inch TFT-TouchDisplay for KS1 / GS500, retrofit... 690.00 €
7010120 10 Inch TFT-TouchDisplay for GS700 / GS1000, retrofit... 990.00 €
7084205 Varnished Frames for 10" displays, for all models. Extra charge... 125.00 €
7010135 **New Rhythm Panel for OAA. Retrofit for KS1 / GS500... 290.00 €
7010145 **New Rhythm Panel for OAA. Retrofit for GS700 / GS1000... 390.00 €
7084210 **New Rhythm Panel varnished for KS1 / GS500 Special offer.Extra charge... 105.00 €
7084220 ** New Rhythm Panel varnished for GS700 / GS1000 Special offer.Extra charge... 125.00 €

**only possible with models having the software Flash installed

Complete PLUS full retrofit package
Abacus KS1 + Verona GS500
Complete PLUS upgrade for KS1 / GS500 for self-assembly incl. delivery... 1650.00 €
With varnish pre-spraying... 1880.00 €
Complete PLUS upgrade for KS1 / GS500 for assembly by Wersi technician... 1786.00 €
With varnish pre-spraying... 2016.00 €

Scala GS700 and Louvre GS1000
Complete PLUS upgrade for GS700 / GS1000 for Self-assembly incl.delivery... 2050.00 €
With varnish pre-spraying... 2300.00 €

Complete PLUS upgrade for GS700 / GS1000 for assembly by Wersi technician... 2186.00 €
With varnish pre-spraying... 2436.00 €

Service and Advice

9000305 Service charge for Upgrade on 10" displays with home Installation : duration according to model 1-2 hrs; price / hr... 68.00 €
All-inclusive delivery by postal dispatch (only for self-installation!)... 20.00 €
With no exchanged LCD/TFT 8” screen the cost becomes 400€ plus VAT... 476.00 €

9000050 Cost of delivery-I for instruments within 50 km of Wersi... 50.00 €

9000051 Cost of delivery-II for instruments within 200 km of Wersi... 100.00 €
9000052 Cost of delivery-III for instruments per an additional 150 to 200 km... 30.00 €

The complete package consists of:

OpenArtArranger, 10 inch display TFT with frame, new Rhythm panel as well as 1 sound package to the value of 125.00 € free of charge.

Real drums are not included within the complete package and, where they were not included in the original purchase of the instrument, must be ordered separately if required. Also the cost of varnish spraying has to be added if required!

The above information is subject to change without further notice."

Sound free to you?

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#235550 - 06/08/08 02:58 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Hi Diki
Good job you had added the smiley face, as otherwise I would have thought that you were inferring that you had to purchase the screen and panel to stay up to date, which of course you don’t. (Nice to have the option though)

You are quite correct about computer hardware updates, however they can be picked up off the shelf for little money. (How much does Roland charge to update your internal G70 HARDWARE?)

Updates are Free (They are designated by an R) and are the equivalent of the Roland OS updates.

Upgrades Cost (Although when you see what’s offered it would still be cheap at twice the price) and is the equivalent of buying a new keyboard. (Designation OAS?)
The exception is the OAA, which is the equivalent of buying a brand new arranger section for your keyboard. (If you play live organ or use little backing you may not want it, so why pay for it, but again its nice to have it as an option)

Soundpacks are options, and are the software equivalent of the of the Roland SRX cards, with the main difference being that you can have as many as you want, all running at the same time, rather then having to keep swapping boards. (Don’t see Roland giving SRX boards away)

As I have said before the only way to find out about them is to try them (Which you also emphasize in many of your posts when something new comes out) and then make a decision (I can only give you my opinion, and opinions of others I have spoken too)
Regards

Bill
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#235551 - 06/08/08 06:54 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Loc: Columbia City, IN USA
Bill,
Of course one has to keep up on the options.
I understand and appreciate what a Wersi has to offer.

If Wersi offered a KIT for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost AND supported the US like Germany... Then I would consider it. Why not have a kit for us Tech. capable folks? That's where they started.

IMHO, Wersi could care less about us in the US (and maybe some other places too like Canada). That's their decision, so be it.

If I ever find one used very cheap, I would try one in spite of the support issues.

By the way, I know the problem is NOT Chris Conti & gang....he is a very nice supportive.

Lee
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#235552 - 06/08/08 09:46 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
zuki Offline
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Registered: 09/20/02
Posts: 4177
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Played a double last year in 117ΊF heat index. 1pm to 9 at night! BRUTAL...

LOTS of water, a good silent fan, shade (mandatory!), plenty of towels to wipe your hands on, and a nice dip in the pool between sets


Nothing worse than playing in wet shorts with jock itch
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#235553 - 06/08/08 10:50 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10580
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Nothing worse than playing in wet shorts with jock itch



I hope this comment is not from experience.
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#235554 - 06/08/08 11:43 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 12861
Loc: NW Florida
Don't forget, if and when I upgrade to a newer Roland (or anything), I sell my current keyboard. For damn good money (I try to keep them as mint as possible, and with Roland's construction values, that's not difficult).

So the cost of 'upgrading' is the cost of a new arranger (minus the discount I negotiate for), and subtract the money I get for my old arranger, which I can sell with it's vast collection of heavily tweaked styles, SMFs, and highly tuned sound, which does NOT come on an OOTB arranger, and get back a fairly decent proportion of the original cost.

Sometimes I can even break even (like I did between G800 and G1000) by waiting a few months until one of the gadfly's unloads a new one they can't figure out, and get it for what I can sell my tweaked out old one. A free HARDWARE update! Not too shabby!

Look, don't get me wrong, there is MUCH to like in Wersi's. But they are anything but cheap, and keeping up with the software route is anything but free...

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#235555 - 06/08/08 05:36 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Diki break even? how many times over & over again have you made from the investment of your G70?

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#235556 - 06/09/08 02:45 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
I'm not playing so I can afford equipment. I'm playing so I can afford to LIVE!

Now that's a LOT more expensive than a keyboard...

Basically, I have always tried to not turn my equipment over too often. It's not that I can't afford it, it's just that, in the first place, I really believe that familiarity and comfort trumps the latest greatest every day of the week, especially if you are primarily a player (look at how many still cling to the B3 - perfection doesn't need an upgrade! ), and secondly, every new keyboard I get, I basically completely re-do my entire repertoire from the ground up. If it is THAT much better, it is that much different, and every sequence style and registration has to be completely re-done. That is a LOT (months) of work to get it where I want. I sure as hell don't want to re-do that every year or so

'Breaking even' for me is maybe the same way you think about all your myriad purchases... If you can't make your money back on it, it's a loss. You keep telling us you never lose money on the constant changing lineup of equipment you go through... So, either you are selling this gear for what you payed for it, or money you are making, that could go to putting food an the table, paying the bills, etc., is actually subsidizing your gear lust.

If I can get another ten years or more out of the G70, and not change PA's for at least that long, even if we made exactly the same income, I would come out ahead, 'cause I didn't go through four arrangers and five PA's in the same period... (assuming you are not selling them for exactly what you paid for them )

At least, that's how I do the math!

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#235557 - 06/09/08 04:23 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10580
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by zuki:
Very few dare to tread......



It seems that way, Zuki...let's hope for Korg's sake that more than a few dare to tread...

Ian
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#235558 - 06/09/08 12:17 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 6610
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
Jim (Zuki), we'll help with photos and a web site. We're just down the road, as you know, and the price will be right. Look at LibertyallianceFCU.com or Murrays-Merrick.com. Those are two local sites we have done. We have lots of national and international work out there, and I'd show them to you privately (car manufacturers, foreign tool manufacturers, etc.). Don't usually do individual or retail work, and wouldn't for anyone else, but would be glad to help out if you'd like.

Plan to spend a 1/2 day here. It'll cost you lunch.


Be well,


Russ

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#235559 - 06/09/08 04:02 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 2144
Loc: Columbia City, IN USA
Ian my friend...
Don't worry at all about Korg. WORLDWIDE, they sell more arrangers than anyone else.
They are selling ton's of them, a lot go to places you and I don't even know how to spell (at least I don't) :-)I'm not talking about our neck of the woods including UK.

Doesn't mean anything to me other than I am glad for any and all companies that are making it work.

Lee
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#235560 - 06/09/08 04:15 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10580
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by leeboy:
Ian my friend...
Don't worry at all about Korg. WORLDWIDE, they sell more arrangers than anyone else.


I don't know about the other markets, Lee...I just know they do very poorly in Canada and the USA.

My local dealer won't even carry Korg arrangers...they have the line, but they only sell Workstations and Digital Pianos...and not many of them, either!

Regarding "worldwide sales" I guess it's down to whatever "reliable" source one wants to believe.

Ian

BTW...did you get that tune and style I sent you?
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#235561 - 06/10/08 07:24 AM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 2144
Loc: Columbia City, IN USA
Ian,
Sorry to hear your dealer there does not have the Korgs...you could try a few just for fun...I know you are a Yamaha guy (That's great!) so you probably would never buy one, but it would be fun for you to have the opportunity to play them. They do have some very nice sounds and features.

My Dealer here has LOTS of Korgs...every model and he tells me he sells TONS of them...there going somewhere? Not overseas either.

Frank at audiowerks sell lots of them too.
Even though I suspect the large volumes go to other than N. America.

I don't care who sells the most...I just want a perfect one for ME someday...don't care who makes it. It's not an ego trip...it's supposed to be music! :-)

For now, we do have some great machines to choose from! I remember back in the Yamaha electone (HS-8T)days I had to actually change a cartridge to change out a different AWM voice! Wow, we've come a long way from that.

Lee
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#235562 - 06/10/08 06:40 PM Re: I tried the Korg pa-800 and...............
Diki Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 12861
Loc: NW Florida
Quote:
Originally posted by leeboy:
I don't care who sells the most...I just want a perfect one for ME someday...don't care who makes it. It's not an ego trip...it's supposed to be music! :-)


Amen to that... If Casio or Realistic or even Mediastation came out with the perfect arranger FOR ME tomorrow, it would be on the first truck to my area that afternoon!

I don't care WHO makes them (I've got no stock in the company!), as long as they figure out what what a real player needs... Enough with the karaoke cr@p! Give me an arranger that is designed to be PLAYED. In any way I can think of...

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