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#234911 - 05/27/08 03:38 PM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5347
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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My Wersi Abacus, which I have had for about 4 or 5 years, and which I will probably still have 10, 15, 20 years (And probably more) from now, when it will probably still be one of the most advanced arrangers out there.(All voices sound modelled, as samples will have been consigned to history) Bill
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#234912 - 05/27/08 03:39 PM
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Registered: 03/21/03
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Loc: Motown
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#234926 - 05/28/08 05:41 AM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by cgiles: Red Nichols, Duke Ellington, Don Redman, Billy Mays, Quincy Jones, Andre Previn, John Lewis, Billy Strayhorn.
chas Ha Ha...good one, Chas...I must say, I do agree with you. Ian
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#234927 - 05/28/08 07:41 AM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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I feel fortunate in having had the best for my needs, except the Wersi perhaps. The KN7000 is a great board, and I still have it. The PA-800 was a fine instrument also, but I had to choose between it and the G-70. The G-70 and KN7000 are both my favorites in a different way.
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#234930 - 05/28/08 11:50 AM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 4333
Loc: Norway
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Originally posted by fredyfr: ... until technics one of these days brings out a new masterpiece. Well, that would be a miracle, but most likely only wishful thinking .... or?? I loved all my Technics kboards, but KN3000 & KN5000 are the no.1's i.m.h.o. and that's why I never bought a KN6 or 7k, did not find any big reason to change as long as KN5 did what I wanted it to do. Now it's Ketron SD1 and Roland G-70 who compete, and when it comes to just sit down (or stand) play "as it is", Ketron are the winner. Anyway.... keep the new kboards coming, who knows, someday " the ultimate arranger kboard for my ears and way of use will be born. Maybe a new Techtron or a Kethnics would knock out the rest?? Happy Playing, whatever kboard! GJ
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#234932 - 05/28/08 02:01 PM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Posts: 892
Loc: Baltimore, MD USA
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I'd have to say the G 1000. It's still my go to board for recording. I must admit though, I really like my Tyros out on the road. It does everything I need it to do and then some, and it's easy to haul around. I'm still like a kid in a candy store with any decent arranger. Ciao, Joe ------------------ Songman55 Joe Ayala
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#234954 - 05/30/08 03:32 PM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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In all fairness, the G70 isn't THAT much heavier than previous G-series arrangers. About four or five pounds over the G1000, if I remember correctly.
A keybed that good (read heavier) and a stiff enough case to support it that well (no flex is good on a heavy action) will dictate at least a certain weight, without any of the electronics taken into account. And lets face it, the 40 or so lbs. of the G1000 (and about the same for the G800) didn't stop it from being one of the most popular arrangers of it's day...
But, yes, shaving the weight back to the G1000 level would be welcome, but I would insist on NO compromise on the action or stiffness of frame, otherwise you are in the 'toy' quality that a lot of Yamaha products are. No offense, but I shudder at having to spend years on those things, despite the OS and SA voices. Just like a car, where the rubber meets the road is one of the most critical areas for high performance. Ask any real piano player... there's a huge difference between a good piano and a bad one, action-wise.
IMO, same thing applies to electronic keyboards...
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#234957 - 05/30/08 07:25 PM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Let me put it this way, Donny...it all boils down to the sound...for the same reason there are those who love the sound of the G70, there are those of us who favor the Yamaha sound.
Don't get me wrong, the G70 is a nice arranger...but it doesn't have the sound that I want to hear...and conversely, Yamaha doesn't have the sound that Roland fans want to hear.
Just slightly different tastes, and all very subjective.
Ian
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#234960 - 05/30/08 09:25 PM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14194
Loc: NW Florida
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I think the main difference between Yamaha and Roland has a lot to do with what and how you are playing... Yamaha, IMO, is exceptionally good at doing background music, music that isn't 'in your face', grab your attention stuff. Roland, OTOH, have a VERY 'live', 'look at me' kind of sound, and doesn't do polite, polished stuff as well. How each of these work for you depends VERY much on the venues and types of music you play. I would certainly have a harder time playing background stuff with my G70, and (strictly my opinion) I would have a hard time getting the Yamaha to grab the audience's attention the way the G70 does. It isn't just a question of volume, it's just how much 'snap' and attack and dynamics the Roland's drums have. Great for forefront, not so good for background... Different strokes.... Anyway, somehow we all manage to make them work for us, and that's what's important
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#234963 - 05/31/08 03:53 AM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 7143
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Just for my own knowledge i searched for some keyboard weights...
Roland E80 22,5 kg Roland G70 20,5 kg Korg PA2X 18 kg Wersi Abacus KS1 18 kg Ketron SD5 17 kg Yamaha Tyros 2 15,5 kg Korg PA 800 13,3 kg Roland E60 13 kg Yamaha PSR S900 11,5 kg
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Some extra info on synths and stage piano's to compare :
Roland Phantom G8 32 kg Roland Phantom G7 16,5 kg Roland Phantom G6 14,5 kg Roland Phantom X7 14,5 kg Korg Oasys 76 25.7 kg Korg Oasys 88 32.1 kg Yamaha Motif XS 7 17 kg Yamaha Motif XS 6 28,6 kg Yamaha S90ES 22 kg
Roland RD700GX 25,6 kg Kawai MP 8 II 35 kg Yamaha CP300 32,5 kg
Roland V-synth GT 13.8 kg Korg Radias 8.7 kg
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Its obvious that ROland can build lighter 76 key arrangers that are very stable, just have a look at phantom G7 thats only 1 kg heavier then Yamaha T2
I think the Korg PA2X is at a nice weight for a sturdy 76 key arranger. While the Roland E80 is a bit to heavy for a 61 key arranger.
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#234968 - 06/01/08 12:43 PM
Re: What is or was your favorite arranger of all time!
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by cgiles: Uh, I'm guessing no TV reception up you way, eh Ian?
chas Ha Ha...actually I've never been much of a TV watcher...don't have cable, and only use my TV for my video car racing game. Rather be playing my keyboard. Love radio...especially CBC Radio Canada...great jazz programs, and nice mix of other music. I still remember the Lone Ranger on the radio, although I was quite young at the time...now I'm just immature. Ian
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