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#222540 - 12/07/07 10:40 AM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5507
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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Hi Frankiev Congratulations on being chosen. As a relatively new dealer, you are doing a bang up business for Korg. Of course, the great line doesn't hurt.
The only thing I can think of is the lack of additional styles, like Christmas. I know one can make their own, but some are not so inclined.
BTW I saw your picture and you look like a nice guy. That coupled with the good comments I've seen, indicates you will be much larger soon.
Bernie
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#222556 - 12/08/07 06:57 AM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2866
Loc: Tampa, FL
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Hey, a fellow Triton owner! I agree with you on the block effects of the Triton, but I think we should aim higher and ask for the Oasys effects processer!!! How do you like your TE? Which model do you have 61, 76, 88? I currently have my TE76 on Ebay and purchased the new M373. I can't wait for the new one. Regards, Al Originally posted by spalding: If Korg want to create the ultimate arranger workstation please tell them to have the same effects set up as they have on the triton extreme with inedpendant routing . the group block effects on the pa series is limiting for work as a production tool. ------------------ Al Giordano http://www.arrangerworld.comTyros 2, Yamaha P-250, Korg Triton Extreme 76, Roland VK8-M, DW Collectors Series Drums, Roland SPD-S.
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#222559 - 12/08/07 10:58 AM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 3354
Loc: The World
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Frank, FWIW, I think Korg have got it about right for a pro arranger in the PA2x/PA800 maybe just add the ability to read word files instead of just text, might make a bit of difference to the lyrics function, or even the ability to add bmp's as the Rolands do. But overall its the best one out there, and I have played them all to some degree, except the s900, but the yammies' are all so, bland and lifeless I didn't bother.
Another suggestion is that Korg add some arranger functionality to the M3, now THAT would make for a killer board, which would truly be "cross-platform". Dennis
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#222560 - 12/08/07 11:08 AM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5507
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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Good suggestions Dennis
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#222563 - 12/08/07 11:50 AM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14182
Loc: NW Florida
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Every time... whatever Donny has is perfect, needs no improvement, blah blah blah...
Of course, as soon as ANY of our suggested improvements get implemented, he'll trade the PA800 in a flash, and get the next model (or jump manufacturers completely!).
Somehow, perfection seems to wear off, slowly, eh Donny?
You are missing an obvious opportunity to help direct the development of your current favorite. An audience with Korg R&D themselves, no less. But you are still playing 'defender' games, as if this thread is just another chewing the fat between members. THIS one goes directly to Korg (via frankieve).
Are you SURE you can't come up with ANYTHING to improve...?
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#222573 - 12/09/07 12:10 PM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Originally posted by Diki: Every time... whatever Donny has is perfect, needs no improvement, blah blah blah...
I don't know why this would surprise you, Diki, given all the historical precedents. While the entire board is trying to come up with constructive suggestions for functional and innovative improvements, you've got one guy proclaiming it "perfect". Strange, coming from someone who can't even settle on a keyboard BENCH. In an age where advancements in technology increase at an exponential rate almost daily, how can any product of technology EVER be considered perfect. We will probably never reach the limits of technology. More likely, what we WILL see is the limit of one's talent or the inability to see beyond one's own immediate environment (or the next day). Sorry, Diki. No surprise here. chas
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#222579 - 12/10/07 12:41 PM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14182
Loc: NW Florida
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Originally posted by Dnj: Powers that be? what a joke!!.....its all about the money...they couldn't give a crap about the end owner.....they'll bait you along like they have been for years with refurbished updates, so called new features, & on & on.....if you think we'll make a big difference I feel sorry for y'all.....they want you to think that they already know whats coming to market years from now ....its a slow bleeding pattern that will never stop taking the consumer for a ride..enjoy.....Im glad Im in a restrain mode out of respect for Nigel or Id say something to a few that wouldn't be nice during the holidays. Well, maybe frankieve could pass along THOSE sentiments, Donny. And then, best of luck if you have a problem. I realize you come from having had Yamaha's for quite a while (despite the last year or so of Ketron, then Korg, and are no doubt accustomed to their complete and total ignoring of the customer requests. Possibly this is where your attitude comes from. But I can assure you that, despite your bitterness towards them, the manufacturers (at least, other than Yamaha) DO listen, and DO respond. A LOT more frequently than you make out. There are at least FOUR 'features' or improvements to features that have come from Roland listening just to me alone (nowhere else were any of the suggestions posted at the old G70 site), and MANY of our member requests were rolled into the last two MAJOR OS upgrades. They DO listen... You might also take a look at the history of OS upgrades to the PA1X/PRO series over the last few years. Many bugs were squashed, many new features added, including the brand new Guitar Mode. So it seems fair to assume that when they ask for user feedback (even if only via a dealer), they actually DO want it. Just because Yamaha turn a deaf ear to their users does NOT mean the rest are the same. But, never mind. Remain bitter and defeated. Let OTHERS shape the direction of any OS improvements to YOUR arranger. Just, don't let us hear you complain when future OS upgrades don't address any of your issues (we know you SAY the PA800 is perfect - but you said that of every other arranger during the 'honeymoon' period!) that you will talk about after you buy your NEXT arranger (which will have probably at least SIX fills). Despite HATING the industry that makes it Just keep saying to yourself, Donny; It's not a Yamaha any more.... It's not a Yamaha any more.... It's not a Yamaha any more.... It's not a Yamaha any more....
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#222581 - 12/10/07 03:16 PM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Diki...... At this time the PA800 IS perfect FOR ME.... it does all I need to work & enjoy..... why shouldn't I praise it as such FOR ME! NO matter what anyone comes out with it will never be enough for ALL peoples needs....there will always be complaints....& wish lists. what & how I use an arranger FOR ME might be very different from the next guy...what you think is the greatest thing that needs to be implemented may NOT be what myself or the next persons cup of tea....or ever uses like many of the useless features I don’t use but the next guy does. as for the business practices of these companies, there's always an underlying motive & that's MONEY no way around it, believe what you want, it is, what it is plain & simple. as for Yamaha I enjoyed my time with their units, made a living with them performing , But I always had to settle for workarounds for my needed features, made them work in some form navigationally, but with the Korg Pa800 almost all of the workarounds are now a thing of the past FOR ME....and that makes me happy, & that’s why its Perfect FOR ME...... oh excuse me, did I say "FOR ME" again?
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#222582 - 12/10/07 05:22 PM
Re: Just been asked by Korg to a sit down for suggestions on arrangers
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14182
Loc: NW Florida
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Originally posted by Dnj: At this time the PA800 IS perfect FOR ME....
oh excuse me, did I say "FOR ME" again? Oh, excuse me.... Did you say 'AT THIS TIME' again??? Wouldn't it be nice to say, in the future, that, because of the improvements to the OS that you helped guide, it is STILL perfect. 'for ME' 'at THIS time' too?? Rather than have to go out and give up your hard earned money to an industry that you loathe for yet another arranger? And your main complaint? That improvements are incremental, at best... One can imagine you listening to someone criticize YOUR act by going 'Well, he's only added a few more songs to his repertoire, rather than completely re-doing it from scratch every time... It's all about the money, and doing as little for it as possible!' YOU know your audience wants to hear a lot of the same songs over and over. Must be tough to listen to someone criticize you for not completely reinventing yourself every time you play... Or is that just arranger manufacturers' responsibility?
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