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#182096 - 11/03/02 05:48 PM My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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I recently had the opportunity to FINALLY spend some considerable time (over 4 hours on 3 separate occasions) auditioning BOTH the Ketron SD1 and Ketron XD9. I was immediately impressed by how smooth the SD1 & XD9 styles sounded, as well as how realisticly LIVE sounding the drum patterns were. Many of the SD1 instruments, particularly the Sax (esp Night Sax), organs (lots of presence & guts), and Grand Piano (though darker in color than I expected) are outstanding. I have to agree with Andrea (Dreamer) that the electric pianos & guitars overall were less than impressive and even noticed the annoying DSP noise he had previously reported. The XD9 sounds (in my opinion) pale in comparision to the SD1 sounds. In fact, the XD9 acoustic piano does not even approach the terrific sounding one in the SD1. The XD9 omits many of the best sounds of the SD1, including the SD1's Night Sax. On the otherhand, the XD9 has a far better improved OS navigation system than the SD1. I found that navigating the identically sized buttons on the SD1 confusing and frustrating and wonder if I could ever feel comfortable pressing the correct buttons on a LIVE gig, especially because you have to go into sub menus to reach even the basic functions. Thankfully the XD9 corrected some of these problems, though I felt even its LCD selection buttons to the right and left sides of the LCD screen located poorly, NOT directly to the actual parameters they are intended to control. The Yamaha (and Technics) arrangers on the other hand have their LCD function buttons all located directed NEXT to the window parameter section they are meant to control.I found both the SD1 & XD9 key feel to be very good and responsive. The SD1 keyboard cosmetic design I do not like at all (1970's). It looks more like a proto-type kb than a finished product, but the XD9 in contrast, looks very stylish and sleek with built in speakers too. The speakers sound is also very impressive. There is also a bass boost feature which allows you to easily increase the bass response.

Ok, it seems the Ketron boards have a lot to offer to arranger players. The SD1 has many features which are just not available in other arranger keyboard brands, such as drum remix, an auto accomp bass mute feature which allows you to play YOUR OWN bass lines, dedicated rootless chord recognition option,, more right & left part voices (presenting added layering possiblities than other arrangers), etc. Ok, some of you may think now that I've decided to upgrade to a Ketron SD1 or XD9 , right? Unfortunately there is ANOTHER issue that is keeping me from currently considering going with Ketron route: this issue is reliability. I've heard privately from several people on this forum that they have experienced repeated problems with their SD1's. This has included reports that their keyboards have frozen up unexpectedly, and have even required repeated (3) lengthy visits to the repair shop. In addition, when I visited my local music store to audition the XD9 & SD1, somebody had just dropped off their SD1 to be repaired. To add to this, while I was auditioning the XD9, I noticed that the LCD screen would, every once in a while, momentarily freeze & shimmer, before changing to a newly selected style or sound. As a gigging musician I can't afford to risk the possibility of my keyboard failing on the gig, or having to be without it for any length of time (short or long) because of failures. I'm sure there are many Ketron owners out there that have never had any problems with their Ketron boards, but from the percentage of reports of Ketron keyboard related problems I've heard, the odds are too high for me right now, no matter how wonderful the Ketron keyboards sound. I only hope that Ketron will be able to improve their reliability and their OS navigation approach in the near future because I feel Ketron arrangers are truly special boards which offer something special for arranger keyboard players. Keep in mind that my review is only MY personal opinion and others may disagree. - Scott
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#182097 - 11/03/02 07:04 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Scott,
Good fair review, thanks for the info.
Terry
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#182098 - 11/03/02 07:29 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Thanks Scott for the great review.

Pls kindly tell me where you tried the Ketron kybds - Is it in Bay Area (SF) or nearby ???

Thanks

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#182099 - 11/03/02 08:41 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
Scottyee Offline
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Hi Lukitoh: Looks like we're fairly close neighbors. What a coincidence. I was just in your area (Fremont) earlier today.

I auditioned both the SD1 & XD9 at Bronstein Music located in So SF. It would be interesting to hear feedback from you and others after you've auditioned these keyboards yourself.

Scott
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#182100 - 11/03/02 10:28 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
riv Offline
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Loc: UK
Quote:
Originally posted by Scottyee:
I recently had the opportunity to FINALLY spend some considerable time (over 4 hours on 3 separate occasions) auditioning BOTH the Ketron SD1 and Ketron XD9. I was immediately impressed by how smooth the SD1 & XD9 styles sounded, as well as how realisticly LIVE sounding the drum patterns were. Many of the SD1 instruments, particularly the Sax (esp Night Sax), organs (lots of presence & guts), and Grand Piano (though darker in color than I expected) are outstanding. I have to agree with Andrea (Dreamer) that the electric pianos & guitars overall were less than impressive and even noticed the annoying DSP noise he had previously reported. The XD9 sounds (in my opinion) pale in comparision to the SD1 sounds. In fact, the XD9 acoustic piano does not even approach the terrific sounding one in the SD1. The XD9 omits many of the best sounds of the SD1, including the SD1's Night Sax. On the otherhand, the XD9 has a far better improved OS navigation system than the SD1. I found that navigating the identically sized buttons on the SD1 confusing and frustrating and wonder if I could ever feel comfortable pressing the correct buttons on a LIVE gig, especially because you have to go into sub menus to reach even the basic functions. Thankfully the XD9 corrected some of these problems, though I felt even its LCD selection buttons to the right and left sides of the LCD screen located poorly, NOT directly to the actual parameters they are intended to control. The Yamaha (and Technics) arrangers on the other hand have their LCD function buttons all located directed NEXT to the window parameter section they are meant to control.I found both the SD1 & XD9 key feel to be very good and responsive. The SD1 keyboard cosmetic design I do not like at all (1970's). It looks more like a proto-type kb than a finished product, but the XD9 in contrast, looks very stylish and sleek with built in speakers too. The speakers sound is also very impressive. There is also a bass boost feature which allows you to easily increase the bass response.

Ok, it seems the Ketron boards have a lot to offer to arranger players. The SD1 has many features which are just not available in other arranger keyboard brands, such as drum remix, an auto accomp bass mute feature which allows you to play YOUR OWN bass lines, dedicated rootless chord recognition option,, more right & left part voices (presenting added layering possiblities than other arrangers), etc. Ok, some of you may think now that I've decided to upgrade to a Ketron SD1 or XD9 , right? Unfortunately there is ANOTHER issue that is keeping me from currently considering going with Ketron route: this issue is reliability. I've heard privately from several people on this forum that they have experienced repeated problems with their SD1's. This has included reports that their keyboards have frozen up unexpectedly, and have even required repeated (3) lengthy visits to the repair shop. In addition, when I visited my local music store to audition the XD9 & SD1, somebody had just dropped off their SD1 to be repaired. To add to this, while I was auditioning the XD9, I noticed that the LCD screen would, every once in a while, momentarily freeze & shimmer, before changing to a newly selected style or sound. As a gigging musician I can't afford to risk the possibility of my keyboard failing on the gig, or having to be without it for any length of time (short or long) because of failures. I'm sure there are many Ketron owners out there that have never had any problems with their Ketron boards, but from the percentage of reports of Ketron keyboard related problems I've heard, the odds are too high for me right now, no matter how wonderful the Ketron keyboards sound. I only hope that Ketron will be able to improve their reliability and their OS navigation approach in the near future because I feel Ketron arrangers are truly special boards which offer something special for arranger keyboard players. Keep in mind that my review is only MY personal opinion and others may disagree. - Scott


Hi Scottyee,

Enjoyed your report concerning the SD-1.

Agree about the execellent sounds, don't know the reliability record of this instrument, only had mine 4 weeks. Also agree about styling, a bit dated, but I can live with this.

Navigation takes some getting used to and I'm on a learning curve at the moment regarding this.

The SD-1 is, in my opionion, a superb keyboard and only time will tell about the reliability. If it went down I would be very sad, even at this early stage.

Hope to speak to you soon.

Best Wishes

riv

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#182101 - 11/03/02 10:58 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
Scottyee Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by riv:
Navigation takes some getting used to and I'm on a learning curve at the moment regarding this.


Hi Riv,

First of all, congratulations on the purchase of your new SD1. It definitely is a powerful KB with a plethora of features.

Please keep us 'up to date' on your learning curve and just 'how long' it takes to feel at ease navigating & mastering all the features of your new SD1.

Scott
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#182102 - 11/04/02 05:48 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Scott,

I have to agree with alot of your OS and layout descriptions, As for the realibilty, you have to think how many yamahas get made to the amount of SD1's that are made, It's like saying Ford produced 1,000,000 ford Taurus and only 20,000 had problems. So if there were 10,000 SD1 made and 200 had problems (aka Ferrari) , it comes out to the same percentage.

Also when you have so much under the hood, it takes a while to get the bugs out.

My SD-1 knock on wood has had no problems, as for the 3 previous Rolands I had, 2 displays and a bad solder joint.

So far, I can't speak for the Genesis but it looks like the smaller arranger companies seem to listen and are trying to do the best they can.

Just think of what you can do with it. Just because you buy a Lexus doesn't mean you are never gonna have to go to the shop for repairs. I know I'm in the mobile electronics business.

Someone also told me to take colored nail polish and paint the different buttons to stand out like red for the sound buttons.

I knew all my nail polish would be useful someday ha ha ha
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#182103 - 11/04/02 07:10 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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frankieve,
Very valid points and the auto analogy is one I have used often myself...."the mercedes repair facilities are full every day too."
Good point about equal % of defectives as well, if it works that way. However to use your analogy, if Yamaha makes a million boards and only 3% are defective while Ketron makes 100,000 and 10 % are defective then the percentage of defectives is obviously still 7% higher regardless of how many boards that actually represents in numbers, so the chance of having trouble with the Ketron is 7x's as great.

From the small sampling we are seeing here, there are certainly more reported problems with the Ketrons rather than any of the others.
Terry

[This message has been edited by trtjazz (edited 11-04-2002).]
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#182104 - 11/04/02 08:59 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Completely agree, I'm saying we probably are talking to here in this forum about 90% off all ketron owners, as for Yamaha or Roland we are probably interacting with 40% of owners, so we are not going to see as many problems.

But putting that all aside, when you are on a gig a your keyboard craps out, it doesn't matter how many other people it happened to. Its the worst and there should be no excuses from the manufacture, because they know what the keyboard is going to be treated, so they should be made like tanks, but not weigh as much, ha
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#182105 - 11/04/02 09:03 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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frankieve,
I agree 100% with all. And I would add it doesn't matter one bit whose name is on the front at that moment,when it dies, because the verbage one would use to question their ancestory would be the same.
Terry

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#182106 - 11/04/02 09:07 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Bravo
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#182107 - 11/04/02 09:29 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by frankieve:
[B]Completely agree, I'm saying we probably are talking to here in this forum about 90% off all ketron owners,

I do not agree with the 90% . I have sold many Ketron products and virtually none of my customer participate with this forum .

Except you Frank ! Dan

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#182108 - 11/04/02 09:54 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
I have sold many Ketron products and virtually none of my customer participate with this forum . Dan


They don't know what they're missing. Time to recruit, Dan.
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#182109 - 11/04/02 10:21 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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My bad,

But I still think we have more Ketron owners overall compared to the number of other brand owners...,

E=MC2

Pie=3.14734
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#182110 - 11/04/02 11:36 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Quote:
Originally posted by frankieve:


E=MC2

Pie=3.14734


Frank, I'm really impressed...

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#182111 - 11/04/02 12:05 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dreamer:
Frank, I'm really impressed...



OH YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


1 + 1 = 2 take that *~* ! d
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#182112 - 11/04/02 12:33 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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OK, I sign off...too many geniuses on this Board for my taste...
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#182113 - 11/04/02 12:58 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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what cute banter we have....,
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#182114 - 11/04/02 01:03 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Guys....far be it from me to be pickie....but isn't pie 3.1416 or has it changed with the new math?
Terry
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#182115 - 11/04/02 01:19 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Personally PIE has always been something I eat on Thanksgiving .

SPAM is something I eat on camping trips AND


Ice cream is something I eat every night .


dano


PS...Scott ....nice review .
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#182116 - 11/04/02 01:31 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Terry, Yes you're right, not to be pickey but it's 3.14159.
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#182117 - 11/04/02 01:48 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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That's what happens when you drink at work, and try to hit numbers to represent pie.

Also I feel apple pie helps more than the mathmatical pie
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#182118 - 11/04/02 02:08 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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another big consideration in regards to "this KB is better then that KB" no matter what KB you listen to is WHAT SOUND SYSTEM YOUR PLAYING IT THROUGH? This could easily make the difference in sound quality instead of blaming the KB itself. Ever EAR is different.

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#182119 - 11/04/02 02:45 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
another big consideration in regards to "this KB is better then that KB" no matter what KB you listen to is WHAT SOUND SYSTEM YOUR PLAYING IT THROUGH? This could easily make the difference in sound quality instead of blaming the KB itself. Ever EAR is different.


Good point Donny, different speakers can make all the difference. I know a guy who gigs on a little Yamaha PSRGX76 and really makes it sing through his Peavy (Escort?)speakers.

BTW, I don't want to be picky either, but isn't it really 3.14159265359?

Midnite

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#182120 - 11/04/02 02:50 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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....but what would you get if you devided the Circumferance of your jack-o-lantern by it's own diameter ? ..... hmmmmmmmm ?
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#182121 - 11/04/02 02:55 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Midnight,

I hear ya, thats sounds like a nice inexpensive portable rig for sure. Also in the opposit direction I have heard "so called" musicians play thru a home CD player on a gig that sounded horrific. But in their EARS they think it's ok. Thats why they are playing $50.00 a nite gigs. You Can't SKIMP on Sound reinforcement, it's TOO important to compromise .

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#182122 - 11/04/02 03:38 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Wanna know about Pi(e)? Check it out...
http://members.aol.com/loosetooth/info.html

Ok, a little more serious...
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibpi.html

-- Josť.

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#182123 - 11/04/02 05:54 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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I didn't realize a poor attempt at a joke would cause so much fuss.

I also have to chime in with, a very talented keyboard player, playing a decent keyboard through a decent sound system, should and would sound better than a half ass player ( like myself) playing a great keyboard though a great sound system.

I think I get all wrapped up in having the latest gear, instead of practicing and getting the most out of what I have.

And the correct amount for pie is when you hit that button on the calculator

Now where can I get that how to video on the SD-1?
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#182124 - 11/04/02 05:59 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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I truely believe that I will have a video for the SD1 by the end of the year !

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#182125 - 11/04/02 06:01 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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BTW, I don't want to be picky either, but isn't it really 3.14159265359


I'd have put that, but my attention span isn't that long and I didn't want to waste anymore of Nigel's ink then I had to.
Terry
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#182126 - 11/05/02 05:25 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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There is no sense in adding any digits after 3.14 unless you intend to add them INFINATLY. It never ends ................ still going .........
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#182127 - 11/05/02 06:15 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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UD: One could use the same argument to say that there is no sense in adding digits after 3.1 or even 3 . It all depends on the precision you need for a specific situation. Hmmm ??

-- Josť.

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#182128 - 11/05/02 07:53 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dreamer:
Frank, I'm really impressed...




Except that Pi = 3.14159265359 !

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#182129 - 11/05/02 07:57 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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I would have to agree.

I would hate to have 10 billion dollars, instead of 10.3 billion.

man I'm funny,

It looks like none of us have a life?

just an observation....,

Kimbal organ 400 has the best styles
circa 1979
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#182130 - 11/05/02 08:10 AM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Quote:
Originally posted by frankieve:
It looks like none of us have a life?


Well it happens that PI is part of my life! I "see" PI (among many other similar "animals") almost every day!

- Josť.

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#182131 - 11/05/02 01:15 PM Re: My Ketron XD9 and SD1 Review
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Quote:
Originally posted by svpworld:

Except that Pi = 3.14159265359 !




Simon, trust me, I am still impressed!
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