If this is a dumb question I apologize.. Are there any arrangers on the market that allow you to go into the sequencer and specify which measures you want the accomp to play. Meaning can you go in and assign say variation one to play from measure 1-4, and variation 4 from 4-6 and so on.. What I mean is recording the accomp without having to play it. Actually selecting which measures you want the style to play. Synths allow you to see all the empty measures of say the pattern track and then specify which pattern plays at what measure and for how long...

Thanks,
Squeak

I can answer from Sk880 keyboard,

Without using external software sequencer, it is not possible. However, what I did once is I recorded all variations and all fill ins and then I used copy and paste to arrange various patterns with the song. Of course, we are talking drums only at this point. I had to play all base and all instruments manually measure by measure and track by track.

I forgot to add that this is one feature that I am very interested in. I congratulate you on this excellent idea.


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Hello:
The only other instruments I know that do that are the Yamaha Electones, models: HS4,5,6,7,8, HX 1,3,5, MC 200, 400, 600, MR 500,700,etc. and that feature was called Chord secuence program, also you could program the registration changes.

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mdorantes

Squeak: Technics brand KN arranger keyboard sequencers include a special 'Technics' track where you record (at user specificed locations), 'command instructions' which tell the arranger to 'play back' a given style variation, and for a specified number of measures. This track is not a midi track so the auto accomp tracks played are not actually recorded at all.. Only the notes played LIVE (Right, Left parts) get recorded on the other midi tracks. Only after the song is fully recorded can you then export the song to a standard midi file. - Scott

PA80 does it Squeak. Really simple and a great feature to "chain" ( borrowing a phrase from the Motif ) patterns together in a step record mode. The MZ had a similar function too..

AJ

Squeak.Not truely an arranger, but on the Roland Diskcover 5 you can assign to buttons selected parts of a midifile, so whilst you are playing or singing to a midifile you can quickly jump to those preset parts,

Graham UK

He best players,

i've got a wersi pegasus 2+ , and you can modify anything you want. styles and sequence and direct record on the harddisk. Very easy.

Greets Johan

Squeak

You can do this on the PSR2000 series by using the step record method of sequencing. You can input chord changes, style variations, fill ins etc at specified points on the track. Once saved, if you decide you want a different style its a simple matter to change it for another. The same will probably apply to the Tyros also.

Hi Squeak.
The question is:

A) do you want the variation 1,2,etc buttons simply switch to a certain section to the MIDI file, eg as you said:
variation 1 plays measures 1-4, variation 2 plays 4-6 etc.

B) Or do you want to do a style yourself by providing MIDI file snippets that contain the wanted measures in the wanted chord type (major, minor, 7th) and then map it to the arranger buttons ?

Just tell me your wishes (others feel free to partecipate to the discussion too) so that we can look if we can add the features wanted to the Lionstracs Mediastation X-76 Arranger Keyboard: ( http://www.lionstracs.com ).

Basically B) is already in place because the style player works with MIDI file snippets.

if you think that A) is important just tell me what you want exactly. I wrote the MIDI player engine and can add looping if that is wanted by users.

let me know please.

cheers,
Benno






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The Korg arrangers do this and call it a BACKING SEQUENCE. Great option. You can also record a performance live and save it as a midi file. I did that before I sold my iX300 and now have a couple dynamite sequences of things I just can't get on my Yammy.

Hi m8s,
WELL, I wonder same also as well as one more
additional thing like on below also.

ie. when I am playing my Yamaha keyboard himself at the same moment as those MIDI backing is playing (that 8 tracks backing in my Yamaha), is it possible in any arranger PAUSE that backing and start it again from the poin where you pause it ??? In my Yamaha PSR-730 that 8 track backing starts very beginning again even I would like to
continue it from the point where I stopped it. ie. it start from the very beginning of the midi sequence - not the point where I stopped it. Can those bigger arranger do this job better ???

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Wow! finally others are interested in sequencing with arrangers instead of just with computer software. The styles on the arranger make it most appealing for sequencing on the arranger.

The i30 forum sold me on the i30 for sequencing with an arranger 2 years ago. You wouldn't believe how easy it is.

I contend that Korg i30 rules as king for sequencing even up to today. It is way ahead of the whole industry in the sequencing dept. But it seems most performers have no need for sequencing on an arranger.

If there were more people trying to sequence with an arranger so as to play a wind instrument, we'd all have great sequencers on our arranger boards. But at the pace the manufacturers are adding a few gooies to their new units every time they release one, no one on this forum will live long enough to see a very good sequencer on an arranger unless they buy a dionsaur i30. Ha! Ha!

I suspect that it functions similarly on the I30 and the PA80 Boo.
I also suspect that you might take a liking to the new Korg offering Boo.. if they ever display one for you to try out in your area that is.. That may be the biggest problem here... actually trying one that I won't have to drive 3 or more hours to see..

AJ

My Roland E-500OR used to actully do it like that.

Hi Squeak,
if I understood you correctly, I can do it on my kn7, I used to do it on my 9000 pro and the cheapest solution of all
you can also do it with XG Works software.

best wishes
Rikki

Sqeak,

On the PSR1000 and up, if you're writing Songs in Step mode, on the Chord track you can change variation, turn parts on and off, change volume for the whole style or just a part, etc. There just isn't very much you can't do.

Steve

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