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#160624 - 01/24/02 04:24 AM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
synthmeister Offline
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Originally posted by Bluezplayer:
Synth,

The sequencers in both are rather good compared to previous arranger models. The 2000's has much better resolution ( 1920 ppq vs 384 for the PA80 ), but I actually find the PA80's to be easier to use and understand than the 2000s.

[This message has been edited by Bluezplayer (edited 01-23-2002).]


Thanks Bluezplayer,

Doesn't the PA 80 have dual sequencers, up to 40 tracks. I have demo-ed the PSR 2000 and the PA 80 and also feel the PA 80 sounds are superior not to mention chord recognition. I have not demo-ed the VA series or the Technics 6500, or any ketron boards which I would like to, but they are not available anywhere near me. I demoed the 9000 Pro and no offense to anyone, but the 2000 sounds the same, the PA 80 has better sounds; sorry!
That is my opinion. Only time can give someone a true sense of comparison, but first impressions do count, and with sound your first impression is the one that counts, because if you own a board and play it day after day you learn to like the sounds and stand by it being the best sounding, the first time you hear 3 or 4 different boards is the only time your ears won't play favorites.

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#160625 - 01/24/02 04:32 AM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
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People, I have listened to PA80 styles, and I believe PSR740 has better ones. Just quick note.

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#160626 - 01/24/02 04:43 AM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
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Yes the PSR740 has good styles ! But the sequencer on the PSR2000 is better . Right PSR2k users ? dano
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#160627 - 01/24/02 04:58 AM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
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are styles on PSR2K better or the same as PSR740/PSR9Kpro? Because the styles on PSR9kPRO are almost identical to PSR740. But what about PSR2K?

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#160628 - 01/24/02 12:58 PM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
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No argument from me Synth. I agree the PA80 has better sounds...for my ears ( always subjective ). Yes the PA80 has dual sequencers, which I'm sure could be a great tool for someone who performs live. I rarely use both sequencers, but I'm not sorry that the capability is there.

Well SK880..the styles, like the sounds are subjective ..no doubt there, but after playing both boards side by side for a few months now, no comparison for my ears on the styles. PA80 wins handily on almost any genre I listen to. Some of the 2000 styles ( and particularly a few from the CVP209 ) are somewhat improved from the 740 that I had, for example the bass player actually plays more than one different note in a few of them... but for composing and recording, unmodified, out of the box..still not in the same class as the ones on the PA80..

Synth ..I disagree with you a bit on one thing. Only quality time spent and practical application with my boards has really given me an accurate feel for what I like and dislike about each of them. My first 3 or 4 times with the 2000 ( like almost any other decent board I first try out ) were magic..it was all new. Only after working with the 2 boards for a bit am I really able to distinguish accurately what I like and dislike about each.

There is so much though that can be done to alter individual tracks when midi editing and later recording to compensate on any board if the base sounds are ok to start with. Heck even some of the sounds get changed completely sometimes when I find a sampled sound that I prefer over one that's in one of my boards.. I always strive to get the best, most natural sound I can. Playing the instrument itself is actually the quickest and easiest thing for me in the whole process.

Dano...2000 sequencer is heads and shoulders better than the one on the 740...

" Korg " AJ
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#160629 - 01/24/02 07:59 PM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
synthmeister Offline
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Originally posted by Bluezplayer:


Synth ..I disagree with you a bit on one thing. Only quality time spent and practical application with my boards has really given me an accurate feel for what I like and dislike about each of them


I was refering to the sound, when you first hear them your ears don't play favorites. I agree that only time well spent can determine which board will suit you.

[This message has been edited by synthmeister (edited 01-27-2002).]

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#160630 - 01/24/02 08:07 PM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
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blue,

I certainly owe PA80 another look. When I get the chance, I will do so. I remember, it had some good dance styles.

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#160631 - 01/24/02 08:20 PM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
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Don't take that personal Synth, nothing to do with being "new"..happens all the time...topics tend to evolve that way...it seems to be part of the process. Sometimes some of us drift away a bit ( or a lot ) and then we drift back. I know that am guilty at times, but I also know that discussing a board itself for me is only part of the picture..there is so much more that goes into the experience of playing or creating music for me...a board, whether it be an arranger workstation, sampler, or even another instrument ..such as my guitar, is merely a tool for painting my musical picture...Some tools just suit me better than others. I think that this forum in particular is the best vehicle that I have found for sharing info and learning stuff.

I DO understand the sound thing too..I knew right away I didnt like the PSR sounds as much as the ones on the PA80..but I saw some features that I liked and bought the board for it's assets in spite of some of its limitations.

SK.. I like the dance styles on the PA80 too...pretty cool stuff to start with and a lot I can do to modify the styles..its good synth sounds are a big help too


"Korg" AJ



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#160632 - 01/25/02 10:00 AM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
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Originally posted by Bluezplayer:
Don't take that personal Synth, nothing to do with being "new"..happens all the time...topics tend to evolve that way...it seems to be part of the process. Sometimes some of us drift away a bit ( or a lot ) and then we drift back.


Actually it wasn't ment for you Bluezplayer, but others. I appreciate your help. I was just a little upset that many members have or had the boards mentioned but didn't bother to give me a good insight. We'll I have decided that the PA-80 is the new bang for the buck in my opinion, and soon to be more peoples' if given a second look. The 3.0 upgrade, sampling, 2 inputs, 4 outputs, unlimited gig FAT 32 hard drive, dual sequencers, flash card, Event Edit, revised navigation on screen. Optional HD, guitar-harmonizer-effects, distortion etc..ALL THIS FOR ABOUT $250 MORE THAN PSR 2000 AND $800-$1300 LESS THAN 9000 PRO, VA 76, KETRON X1, SD1, TECHNICS KN6500. BANG FOR THE BUCK BY FAR HAS TO BE THE PA 80, so they had some operating system problems in the beginning, at least they responded with a kick butt attitude, and more updates to come, wonder what else they got in the works??

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#160633 - 01/25/02 10:07 PM Re: PA 80 or PSR 2000 or Va 7
Bill E Offline
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$250 more than a psr2k?----tell me where please! I find 2000s from $1100 to $1300 and pa80s from $1800 to $2000. This is the range of the big-box websites(USA)

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