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#155318 - 09/30/04 02:02 AM G70
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dOES ANYONE HAVE SIZE AND WEIGHT OF G7O YET ...?

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#155319 - 09/30/04 02:10 AM Re: G70
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Re_G70. Roland are to release specifications on 1st October.

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#155320 - 09/30/04 04:41 AM Re: G70
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Thanks Graham ... I am also in UK

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#155321 - 09/30/04 07:28 AM Re: G70
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Originally posted by Graham UK:
Re_G70. Roland are to release specifications on 1st October.


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#155322 - 09/30/04 08:11 AM Re: G70
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#155323 - 09/30/04 08:21 AM Re: G70
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Quoted from Rolands site:

"Full-color LCD screen / DigiScore and lyric display
A full-colour touch screen, complete with “click noise” to confirm actions, is also included for quick and simple operation. "

GREAT - that way the touch screek(yuk) will "click" each time you touch it?!?!?!
Man, that has disaster written all over it!
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#155324 - 09/30/04 08:46 AM Re: G70
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Actually Alpine already does this in their car 7" monitor system with zero problems, and is probably used allot more than a screen on a keyboard
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#155325 - 09/30/04 08:46 AM Re: G70
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I wouldn't worry too much about the click screen. I would assume that Roland will give the player the option of changing the volume of the click. Surely they must realize that pro players don't want an annoying click between songs.

Otherwise, this unit looks awesome. Can't wait to hear it. Now all we gotta do is WAIT til it hits the USA.

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#155326 - 09/30/04 08:52 AM Re: G70
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Hi Graham (UK)!!

I'm Gabriele from Italy, very happy to find you here!!

I've registered today since I'm interested in the Ketron Forum, but I saw your name and I just want to say "hallo" !!!

Let me know something about the new "baby" (G70) if you found her at the Keyboard Festival in UK!!

Ciao

Gabriele

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#155327 - 09/30/04 09:14 AM Re: G70
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The new king arrived.

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#155328 - 09/30/04 09:25 AM Re: G70
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Welcome Gabriele !

This 'king' looks great. I wished they had sound/style demos on the website.
(e.g. drawbarsound, leslie,strings, piano and brass/sax)

The solid state (flash?) drive is very interesting, because I hate the noise of HDD's. (The SD1 drive is very noisy while idle)

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#155329 - 09/30/04 09:31 AM Re: G70
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#155330 - 09/30/04 10:03 AM Re: G70
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Wow, that adaptive chording looks interesting. Anyone have experience with that?

Cool...a D-Beam controller !
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#155331 - 09/30/04 10:18 AM Re: G70
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Why the hell cant they, or dont they, put chord recognition into synths I'll never know. What's the point of having overpriced arranger keyboards when an all-purpose workstation would do the job, and keyboard manufacturers like using modes, so where's the problem?

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#155332 - 09/30/04 10:37 AM Re: G70
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Personally, I like the over priced arrangers, better than "workstations"...I can do anything I need on an arranger[top of the line]..and much more than I can do on a workstation,including mt Triton Studio..

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#155333 - 09/30/04 11:08 AM Re: G70
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Is it my imagination or has anyone else ever noticed that nearly all 76 key boards always begin the left side with "F"? Why not have the first key of "C" like the 61-key boards? Don't make good sense to me, but then, what the hell do I know!

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#155334 - 09/30/04 11:33 AM Re: G70
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Why bother with a Tyros 2 when a Motif EX with larger screen, voice effects, and chord recognition could do the job far better than any standalone arranger. This is a no-brainer. Why have two departments within a company creating two costly products, when one would do the job.

No one here could argue that an 'arranger' keyboard sounds like an arranger keyboard. Prove me wrong. Do a workstation song to a comparative arranger song and you will hear the difference.

As of now, technically there is NO need for arranger keyboards. It appears they are being made to keep the status quo and keep putting out old technology. Arrangers have not improved all that much in 10+ years when you think about it.

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#155335 - 09/30/04 11:44 AM Re: G70
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Gary, they go down to an E, not F...just like the low E on a bass..it is perfect..
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#155336 - 09/30/04 11:53 AM Re: G70
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Digitalvision, Go work a single with your "Workstation". and handle request...how many can you pull off...The arranger keeps you in control..As for quality of sound verses Workstations..it doesn;t exist in today's market..
I have had all the workstations and many of the sounds are better on my arrangers..An example the Piano on the Triton[hip hop oriented keyboard] can't compare to the VA-7 piano...

Use what works for you,,but the synth workstation will never replace the arranger keyboard...

BTW what can you do on a "workstation" that we can't do on flagship arranger workstations?
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#155337 - 09/30/04 01:40 PM Re: G70
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Good points Fran.......
Aranger gives you "REAL TIME" control....and thats the ticket unl;ess you ant to be a slave to repetitive sequences all night!

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#155338 - 10/01/04 04:40 AM Re: G70
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
An example the Piano on the Triton[hip hop oriented keyboard] can't compare to the VA-7 piano...


Frank, I agree with most of your post with the exception of the above. The new Triton Extreme which is in my stable, has wonderful new Piano's and very excellent acoustic voices like Gitars, strings, Brass, Reeds, and the all important organs, which in my opinion, finally take it out of the Hop-hop pigeon hole. Give it another look-see!

But you still can't use it to do a single...

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#155339 - 10/01/04 04:54 AM Re: G70
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See returned my psr3k thread....

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#155340 - 10/01/04 05:07 AM Re: G70
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Originally posted by jdx:
dOES ANYONE HAVE SIZE AND WEIGHT OF G7O YET ...?


I noticed the information on the Roland site OMITS the weight of the keyboard. They have the length, width, etc, but not the weight.

Are they still filling the thing up with electronics?
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#155341 - 10/01/04 07:36 AM Re: G70
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Gary, further to Fran's answer, a 76-key keyboard is arrived at by chopping one-have octave each off the top and bottom of an 88-note piano range. 73-key keyboards tend to be C to C, e.g., Nord Electro.

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#155342 - 10/01/04 07:48 AM Re: G70
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Also, 76 key acoustic pianos (mostly uprights) were made at least back into the 1800's as less expensive "home" models back when music was mostly "do it yourself" and a LOT of homes had pianos in them.

BTW, the "arguement is settled", LOL. Underneath the Roland G70 logo it says "Music Workstation" so any G70 owner can now truthfully say they own and use a "Workstation" keyboard.

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#155343 - 10/01/04 07:57 AM Re: G70
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I have a feeling that the G-70 is going to be quite heavier that the other 76 keys arrangers

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#155344 - 10/01/04 08:54 AM Re: G70
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Originally posted by digitalvision:
Why bother with a Tyros 2 when a Motif EX with larger screen, voice effects, and chord recognition could do the job far better than any standalone arranger. This is a no-brainer. Why have two departments within a company creating two costly products, when one would do the job.

No one here could argue that an 'arranger' keyboard sounds like an arranger keyboard. Prove me wrong. Do a workstation song to a comparative arranger song and you will hear the difference.

As of now, technically there is NO need for arranger keyboards. It appears they are being made to keep the status quo and keep putting out old technology. Arrangers have not improved all that much in 10+ years when you think about it.


There's so many bad assumptions here that I hardly know where to start. For one thing - not everyone here uses arrangers the same way. I mostly use mine for SMF playback behind my live performances (and no, it doesn't sound AT ALL like an arranger when I do that - you're the one who should hear the difference). Having arranger features just means that when the time comes and I either get a request for a song I don't know or I just want to change things up when performing, I can perform improvisationally. You cannot do that with a Motif ES nearly as easily (I own one - I know).

That's really the difference between workstations and arrangers - the live performance features and aspect. Workstations have to cover so much territory that their user interface cannot be setup exclusively for live performance like an arranger is. With a Motif for example you would be best off setting up your performance combinations and settings well in advance to pull off what an arranger can do right out of the box. And it still wouldn't be the same trying to remember what buttons F1 or S2 do as opposed to the verse/chorus/fill-in buttons of an arranger.

As to "arrangers haven't improved in ten years" - I didn't use arrangers ten years ago because they couldn't pull off what I could do with stand-alone sequencers, tone modules and midi-controlled mixers. Today they not only do all that and more but they do it in a convenient cost-effective package. In fact, today's pro-level arrangers also include built-in programmable mixers and effects for both the synth and for the vocal input, plus they included programmable harmonizers. Many also include the ability to display chords/lyrics/notation. If those features can be found at all in workstations, it's only after you've added a lot of extras onto them.

And your assumption about workstation-hand-down-technology going to arrangers (in part from your other threads) is wrong: Yamaha sells more arrangers in total from $100 to $10,000+ than they do workstations like the Motif because the home market is far larger than the pro market and always will be. Some of their best technology can be found in home instruments like the CVP-900 (which has 256 notes of native polyphony - that's not "old technology"). Yamaha even said that the chord recognition and MegaVoice features of the MOtif ES came from the Tyros, not the other way around.

Unless I'm reading the specs of the Roland G-70 wrong, it is their most powerful keyboard to date with more memory dedicated to sounds than any of their previous workstations. And it's an arranger. This beast has one obvious purpose: live performance. Anybody can sound good in a studio but it takes real horsepower and chops to do it live, and I'm glad to see the major companies like Roland and Korg taking pro arrangers seriously. Yamaha will catch up with a Tyros 2/Pro someday soon I would bet. Today is Roland's day in the sun though.

[This message has been edited by The Pro (edited 10-01-2004).]
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#155345 - 10/01/04 12:01 PM Re: G70
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While I agree that the Realtime Performance features can not be matched by any of the top workstations, most of the Arranger keyboards, specially YAMAHA, do not have a workstation-like sequencers and synthesizer engines.

That's the only negative point in YAMAHA Arrangers from the $100 PSRs to $2500 TYROS. And it looks like the G-70 will have similar sequencer like the older VA sequencer, instead of the Fantom-X sequencer.

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#155346 - 10/01/04 04:26 PM Re: G70
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Does anyone know if it has any digital outs?

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#155347 - 10/02/04 06:35 AM Re: G70
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Originally posted by Musikman4Christ:
Does anyone know if it has any digital outs?



The G-70 has no digital audio outputs.
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#155348 - 10/02/04 07:52 AM Re: G70
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I recall , I read that the G70 is around 43 pounds....that is 2 and 1/2 pounds heavier than the G1000..

I guess the extra fills and on board styles, and not to forget the Mic/vocalizer...made it a little heavier..
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#155349 - 10/03/04 08:20 AM Re: G70
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The problem with Roland arrangers now is a lack in middle range area.

There is a top model, G-70.
After G-70, nothing at all, nothing to compite with PA60, PSR2100 or 3000.
Then, at low range, EXR series.

Roland fans waiting a good 5 octaves arranger can't buy a Roland.
Pity

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#155350 - 10/03/04 08:38 AM Re: G70
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Be patient...Roland will be releasing a 61 key model like the G series...And I betcha there is a table top module on it's way[summer 05]..
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#155351 - 10/03/04 09:45 AM Re: G70
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Fran, is that information you have on a future 61 key version, or a hope?

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#155352 - 10/03/04 09:51 AM Re: G70
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So 43 lbs is still a lot heavier than the Tyros 27lbs, but at least a little lighter than the Pa1X's 45lbs (61 key version 48lbs).

I've had one double hernia (and don't want a repeat), so this is a disappointment.

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#155353 - 10/03/04 10:17 AM Re: G70
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Graham..No confirmation, just source rumors, and past patterns from Roland..
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#155354 - 10/03/04 01:09 PM Re: G70
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Be patient...Roland will be releasing a 61 key model like the G series...


Years being patient from 1999. And a lot of people going to Yamahas...

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#155355 - 10/06/04 07:52 AM Re: G70
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Rolands marketing has been very predictable in the past. I am confident they are continuing this tradition and come out with a 61key model with speakers in the spring.
A while back there was a discusion on here about an expected new pro board from roland, and here it is. Almost as described in the previous tread
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#155356 - 10/06/04 10:24 AM Re: G70
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I'm still anxiously awaiting GrahamUK's report from the keyboard festival......

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#155357 - 10/12/04 10:16 AM Re: G70
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Hi all!

Don't know if it has been posted already, but here is the Big Picture.
http://www.roland.be/productinfo/productimages/_g-70.jpg


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#155358 - 10/16/04 06:40 PM Re: G70
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Quote:
Originally posted by CoasterTim:
I wouldn't worry too much about the click screen. I would assume that Roland will give the player the option of changing the volume of the click. Surely they must realize that pro players don't want an annoying click between songs.

Otherwise, this unit looks awesome. Can't wait to hear it. Now all we gotta do is WAIT til it hits the USA.

Tim

Yes and what if you play on the stage where the click noise is not loud enough?
I think that is wrong soluttion. Button under your fingers is diferent than flat surface with some noise click




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#155359 - 10/16/04 07:50 PM Re: G70
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I think I'll get one of these (if they actually make them)for my studio. I'd love to have the drums, bass and organ drawbars ready to play in real time.

Anyone want this G1000????!?!?!??!?
C'mon ....... I'll make it a great deal for someone!
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