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#142188 - 01/13/04 05:22 PM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
GlennT Offline
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Registered: 12/01/02
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Donny... glad to if I could, but right now I'm a novice at best re recording and web posting an mp3, but perhaps later.

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Glen I'd like to hear your wheel technic if possible can you post a demo or 2?

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#142189 - 01/13/04 05:34 PM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
Dnj Offline
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Thanx Glenn..but when your ready please let us know we'e here to help each other.

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#142190 - 01/13/04 05:43 PM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
Bluezplayer Offline
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Registered: 11/10/00
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Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
The pitch bend wheel has become second nature to me, almost like using a clutch with a manual transmission. I need it.

I have the joystick on the PA80, which controls both pitch and modulation. I don;t use the mod function as often, but it's very useful when working with certain patches / sounds, such as changing the rotation effect speeds on organ patches.

In the Motif ES, I set up some of my user patches so that the mod wheel doesn't control modulation at all, but instead it's applied to control some other parameter, such as an effect depth or filter cutoff.
Very useful tool in that respect.

AJ
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#142191 - 01/13/04 06:26 PM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
keybplayer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
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Loc: CA
Chuck, you can indeed control the Pitch Bend by way of a Foot Pedal[s] on the PSR 2100/Tyros etc. Many other Brand Keyboards have that same feature. Of course you have to set the Keyboard up to trigger Pitch Bend with the Foot Pedal[s] but it is easy to do (on the PSR 2100 and Tyros at least).

Best regards,
Mike

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#142192 - 01/14/04 08:51 AM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
ChuckH Offline
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Registered: 01/04/04
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Loc: Bozeman, MT, USA
Thanks to all for responding. So far, I like the foot pedal idea but maybe I could get used to the wheel with practice.
DonM,
I visited your site and tried the song "Before You Accuse Me" by Clapton, or is it CCR. Who wrote that song anyway? Anyway, I thought it was great recording and a fine example of using a guitar sound with the keyboard. I liked your voice also and it fit the song perfectly. I think I heard two voices in parts. Did you overdub a harmony? I'll try the other songs when I get time. Now you need a picture of yourself after losing the 47 lbs.
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#142193 - 01/14/04 09:10 AM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
squeak_D Offline
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Registered: 10/08/00
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Loc: West Virginia
Chuck,
Here's what I suggest. If you can watch MTV or VH1 to see the bands playing.. Watch the guitar players. Also listen to some sax songs too. Listen closly to these instruments and you can get an idea of how they sound and where notes can bend. It really takes some practice. What type of keyboard do you have? I'll throw together some really simple examples for you using several voices and send them to you. When you get the hang of it I think you'll find yourself using them more

Squeak
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#142194 - 01/14/04 09:16 AM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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Originally posted by ChuckH:
Thanks to all for responding. So far, I like the foot pedal idea but maybe I could get used to the wheel with practice.
DonM,
I visited your site and tried the song "Before You Accuse Me" by Clapton, or is it CCR. Who wrote that song anyway? Anyway, I thought it was great recording and a fine example of using a guitar sound with the keyboard. I liked your voice also and it fit the song perfectly. I think I heard two voices in parts. Did you overdub a harmony? I'll try the other songs when I get time. Now you need a picture of yourself after losing the 47 lbs.


Chuck,
Thanks, "Before You Accuse Me" is by Delbert McClinton. He's a Texas-Blues type and has many great songs. Eddie has another of his songs on my website.
The song was played and recorded live on the job, with no overdubbing at all. The harmony voice is from the harmonizer on the PSR2000.
The photo on the opening page is the slimmer version!
DonM
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#142195 - 01/14/04 09:40 AM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
Bluezplayer Offline
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Registered: 11/10/00
Posts: 2195
Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
Don,

Nice rendition of "Before You Accuse me".

The foot pedal is a choice for someone who needs to keep both hands busy on an arranger. I started out many years ago as an organ player, but as soon as they became affordable enough, I switched to synthesizers. For me the pitch wheel became an extension of my playing, but I like a joystick even better, since it allows me to control both mod and pitch wheel bending, at once.

I just don't think I'd feel comfortable with a foot pedal for pitch bending. Sometimes my technique includes very rapid but barely perceptible bends that are meant to imitate string resonance. I don't think my foot would do as good a job here, no matter how I might try. I've tried assigning pitch bend to aftertouch on another keyboard, but that really didn't have the right feel for me either, as opposed to a pitch wheel / joystick.

Even when I play an arranger, I can pretty much free the left hand up enough to throw in some pitch bend articulations into a solo, as long as I stick to simpler chord changes. I set up my PA80 to recognize both single and multi fingered chords, so that I can manipulate the joystick with my ring finger while I change chords with my thumb and index fingers.

Squeak makes a good point. Before you try to emulate different instruments, it's good to give a good listen to some well played examples, while trying to focus on and picture what the player is doing with the instrument.


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#142196 - 01/14/04 10:26 AM Re: Modulation/Pitch Blend Wheels?
ChuckH Offline
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Registered: 01/04/04
Posts: 43
Loc: Bozeman, MT, USA
Squeak,
Well, I do get MTV but you can't force me to watch it. It's more like NoiseTV to me. I'll be paying more attention to the keyboard players now that I'm playing Keyboard. I played guitar for a long while so I always watched the guitar players.
This fall Autin City Limits had Steve Winwood on their opening show and it sure was fun watching him play organ especially when he came to a couple of my favorites: I'm A Man and Gimme Some Lovin'. Great Stuff. The guitar player and drummer were super also.
DonM,
About your picture...Ooops!
I've already learned "Before You Accuse Me". Of course it's only a few chords but great to improvise with.
ChuckH
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