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#141070 - 06/04/06 12:10 PM Re: Tyros2 vs. Pa1x
Bluezplayer Offline
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Registered: 11/10/00
Posts: 2195
Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
Craig,

Thanks.. I am glad to hear that, because it would represent an improvement over past Yamaha arrangers I've played, but I would still want to hear it for myself to believe it, as these are among the most important sounds to me.

The organ sounds on the Motif ES are good, but many are not great although a couple of the B3-C3 sounds are very nice. Some of the more modern digital synth sounds are excellent on the ES, but many of the analogue emulations on it are thin to my ears, and while that isn't unusual on a digital synth, my PA80 does a better job than the ES for those sounds. Either way they are both digital, and you can work only within the framework of the samples they give you. I like the ability to cook up analog sounds from scratch, but my guess is that no arranger will likely ever have that again ( I think back to when the 9000 series accepted the PLG series plug ins )

Noone does a good enough Oberheim for me. Because of the complex filtering schemes used in the OB boards, I tend to doubt it's possible at all in the digital realm. Right now even in the software realm, analogue modeling and all, it just isn't there, although from what I saw at KVR, I believe finally an Oberheim emulation is about ready to surface. A lot of folks have the nailed the "Jump" sound pretty well, but there are other OB sounds like those that Kerry Livgren from Kansas or Dennis De Young from Styx used that I've yet to hear anyone emulate properly.

I had a shot at buying an OB12 recently and it sounded really sweet, ..like an Oberheim does to me, but, like so many of the older analog boards, it had some issues, and I would have regretted purchasing it if I couldn't have gotten it restored to full function.

AJ


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#141071 - 06/04/06 02:42 PM Re: Tyros2 vs. Pa1x
Craig_UK Offline
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Registered: 11/23/04
Posts: 914
Loc: UK
Totally agree what you're saying about Oberheim. With the T2 I set the FX and other parameters to the mod wheel so I can get the sort of filter sweeping noises that the old analogue machines did great. You can really get into editing all of the sounds and I'm amazed with the results as I didn't expect to get good synth sounds coming out of an arranger keyboard.

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#141072 - 06/05/06 02:07 AM Re: Tyros2 vs. Pa1x
Booby Offline
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Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 107
Hi,

I believe you have to try yourself because they are really wonderful instruments and you have to decide what's the detail that will decide the competition.

Just a small addition to the sampling section: T2 has up to 1G (even if I've no idea about loading times of such huge memory) but the small 32 Mb of Pa1X are compatible with Akai programs that you can find very easily and for cheap price now.

Don't know if this is important for you, anyway did a great job for me: I found different old but good Akai libraries (Miroslav Vitous is just one example) for very cheap price or second hand and this helped a lot with some sounds I was missing (piano, strings, drums).

Hope this help.

Regards

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