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#107893 - 01/25/05 06:46 PM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Registered: 11/10/04
Posts: 434
Loc: Shakopee, MN, USA
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I really dont see the value in the tyros 2, 4 1/2k... i saw this one keyboard that had a full blown dual 1.5ghz processor, 17inch lcd built in and so on for around that much. I wish i could find it again, it was way sweet. I dont have any exsperiance or seen/heard it before, but on paper i would much rather see one of them in my house.
Today I played a prs550 i think, does the tyros/psr 1500+ have the same keys? I really didnt like the feel, and would play if you slowly pressed the key. My roland wont play unless its at a certain velocity, to me a great feature i wouldnt want a KB to be without, to me it adds a great deal in the shape of the music, and that occasional bump of an unwanted key wont wreck your song.
Phil
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#107909 - 01/26/05 08:36 AM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Registered: 08/24/04
Posts: 782
Loc: N Fort Myers, FL, USA
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For those of us with chronic tennis elbow, the light and short key feel of the Tyros is a real plus!
Yes, I prefer 76 keys, but frankly I like the light weight of the current Tyros. And, I have figured out workarounds when I need those extra keys, so it still works.
Like Scott, I was bitterly disappointed to see no improvement in the Music Finder. The Song Book on the Korg Pa1X is awesome!
Also, there has to be some increase in the User space, I am sure they cannot miss that one!
I have to believe the price will be similar to the current Tyros, or their sales will drop dramatically.
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#107914 - 01/27/05 06:15 AM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Registered: 12/03/99
Posts: 732
Loc: Phoenix, AZ USA
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Originally posted by KN_Fan: Keyboard manufacturers keep making keyboards without listening to the USER's needs...this is a conspiracy!!!
If I had a dime everytime somebody said "I want 76 keys, user friendly, good sounds, and compatibility" I'd be able to afford that Pa1X! - yeah, but we are also assuming that Tyrs wll keep or improve its polyphony, and not degrade to measly 62 voices, that it will continue perfecting its excellent button-based user interface, rather than switch to a dreaded touch-screen. Those are just two of the reasons that keep me away from the PA1X. I also happen to like Yamaha sounds better, but that's just my opinion - if you are happy with the Korg, more power to you.
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#107919 - 01/28/05 04:47 AM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Registered: 07/09/02
Posts: 1087
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
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We've discussed the Open Labs nEko here before. It is essentially a softsynth machine, meaning it will sound like whatever VSTi software synthesizers, samplers and audio processing plug-ins you install in it. It is a Windows PC-based synth and is fully user-customizable to the nth degree, and some have suggested that using software such as OMB that it may be possible to turn a nEko into a very powerful arranger. Since you can make it sound however you like with a nearly infinite combinations of sounds, demos really don't apply in this case. As to the aesthetics, it's neat that the control modules are interchangeable and you can choose which ones you want. But again, there is only a 61-note version available currently. I don't particularly think this instrument is ugly myself - I've seen worse. And we all had had a sticker-shock reaction when Open Labs first came out with their top models of the nEko, but they've come out with some lower-priced models and since Korg, Yamaha and Roland have increasingly expensive arrangers available or coming, the nEko doesn't look so overpriced anymore. When a 76-note version of the nEko comes out, it'll merit due consideration IMHO. [This message has been edited by The Pro (edited 01-28-2005).]
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#107920 - 01/28/05 04:41 PM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Member
Registered: 11/10/04
Posts: 434
Loc: Shakopee, MN, USA
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Originally posted by spalding: can anyone find any demos of the open lab keyboard. It always bothers me when a company gives loads of technical spec but no option to actually hear the keyboard Right below the buy it button I think open labs really is the way to go. Its virtually endless on what you can do with it. The price is alot granted, but also very appealing compared to the Tyros, PA80, Triton ect. You dont only get a keyboard, but a full blown computer, incredible. I think the Open Labs site changed, I see 3 board now, and the Neko Le starts at $2,295 now... Phil [This message has been edited by Pennywizz6 (edited 01-28-2005).]
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#107923 - 02/02/05 03:09 PM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 220
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Originally posted by The Pro: We've discussed the Open Labs nEko here before. It is essentially a softsynth machine, meaning it will sound like whatever VSTi software synthesizers, samplers and audio processing plug-ins you install in it. It is a Windows PC-based synth and is fully user-customizable to the nth degree, and some have suggested that using software such as OMB that it may be possible to turn a nEko into a very powerful arranger. Since you can make it sound however you like with a nearly infinite combinations of sounds, demos really don't apply in this case.
As to the aesthetics, it's neat that the control modules are interchangeable and you can choose which ones you want. But again, there is only a 61-note version available currently. I don't particularly think this instrument is ugly myself - I've seen worse. And we all had had a sticker-shock reaction when Open Labs first came out with their top models of the nEko, but they've come out with some lower-priced models and since Korg, Yamaha and Roland have increasingly expensive arrangers available or coming, the nEko doesn't look so overpriced anymore. When a 76-note version of the nEko comes out, it'll merit due consideration IMHO.
[This message has been edited by The Pro (edited 01-28-2005).]Dear Pro; I find your statement about using an expanable keyboard such as the Openlabs and combining it with OMB software to create a very novel& state-of-the-Art arranger very interesting. From reading the OMB information it still is not evident wether one has create from scratch or load styles form other arangers into order to be able to use them in the set up described above. Has anyone tried the OMB ( or similar software) together with a high quality synth or VSTi + midi controller ( i.e. Motif/Alesis/Phantom etc + OMB or similar ) ?? What were the results? I wonder how the ergonomics wouldp would work in a live venue. It is difficult to determine on not having used this product before, wether it would be more ideal for studio/home vs. live performances. Would time be a factor for selecting and load accompaniment styles from the computer/OMB for each song in a set? AS with other software ( i.e.StyleWorks 2000/ style-convertors) problems occur when converting styles from other keyborads ( i.e. they require modification to sound right after import). I wonder if the same applies when OMB assigns internal voices of a sythn to create the styles. Do they have to be extensively tweaked to sound right. If so this, could be an extensive amount of labor. Has anyone used the OMB software in any situtation? Please comment on its use as a live auto-accompaniment. I suppose the benefit of the mediastation X-76 is that it is upgradable as the open labs, but also contains the arranger functions built-in ( and can still be modified + up-load new styles ) without the need for an external computer Thank-you Regards; SCP
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#107924 - 02/04/05 03:38 PM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 17
Loc: USA
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Im using OMB and my Motif ES7. I have found hundreds of styles online for free, but yes, indeed, one has to do tweaking to them to get them to play right. At least on most of them. But some of them work really nice right off the bat. Specially the PSR8000 styles. I found those to have the least problems.
Im using a 19" flat panel display and recording all my audio to cubase SX. But to get a song recorded right away when inspiration strikes, I like OMB. It does the job and since the MOtif ES implements the midi tracks in SONG mode really nicely with out doing any modifications, i can record and worry about changing the sounds to my favority presets or user sounds later. Which by the way, make a huge difference.
Specially once you add the insert effects. What i really love about the ES is that 39 of its preset drumkits, all use the GM sound setup. IN other words, when you use a GM kit, although you use GM it will play back really nice using a standard Kit from the ES. I really love this feature alone and has saved me lots of headaches, which I used to get with my trinity v3.
So for now, Im going to stay with OMB and my Motif ES7. Ive had my eyes on the neko for a while now and I really like what I see and hear. I think, ultimately, when I do get some cash, im going to be gettinga neko 64 for sure. Guess what arranger its going to be using inside?
One Man Band !!
Rock on guys..
Regards,
Musikman
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#107925 - 02/05/05 10:53 AM
Re: Internal news about the new Tyros II.
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Member
Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 220
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Dear MusicMan4Christand Anyone Else who can assist;
Thank-you for your reply. On having read the OMB website ( and not being clear about a couple of issues), I wish to draw apon your experience.
As I understand the OMB and please correct me if I am wrong;
No.1 It has an auto-accompaniement feature, but no styles contained in the software. So what one would have to due is either download or purchase styles?? It seems as if the OMB software is geared towards yamaha styles, but can other companies styles be used as well ie Korg, Ketron, Roland etc..)
No.2 Since synthesizers ( in your instance a motif , neko etc..) don't have an arrangement section ( i.e. no buttons to allocated to various styles, intro, variations, ending) one would have to have a computer connected with a screen, that you would then select the specific styles that you wanted. And wait while it loaded into the keyboard ( does this process take long by the way--worried about use in live shows) After this point it would work just like an arranger?? i.e. play specific chord patterns and the OMB would follow in the particilar key?? Does it have chord memory--ie when you play a chord and let go does the chord still continue until you stop the style or change to another chord. Further, I guess you would assign differnt keys on the synth/Motif to trigger starts/stop/ variations/ endings, Tempo( i guess tempo would have to be assigned to a wheel, or up/down buttons of some sort) ????
So I would say that the main diference in an OMB/synth set-up vs Arranger KB would be that instead of selcting the styles, tempo, intos/variations/endings from the physical buttons on the arranger keyboard, you would select all this information from a computer with screen with OMB loaded on to it
Is this correct????
Is it difficult to set up an OMB/syth option when doing it from scratch ( i.e. no styles ) to the point where its just like and arranger keyboard with respect to the auto-accompaniment???? lets say 2-300 styles ready to go to play live at a gig
I appreciate your help Regards; SCP
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