Hi,

I never heard or saw an organ B3 and B4 I read some members speaking about in this Forum.
Please informe whose organ panel or flute sounds on PSR 2000 are close to that B3/B4 sound in order I can get an idea.

Thanks

Carlos Rodrigues

Hi Rodrigues,
As a seasond Hammond player I'm sad to say that the PSR2000 does not for my liking produce a spot on replication of the true Hammond sound, the true sound is made up of many factors such as..electronic imperfections in the tone generator system, complexed electro-acoustic modulation, tube amplification etc. the 2000 is just too pure and nice, there does not seem to be enough attack on the keystroke, I have a Yamaha S03 Synth and this keyboard does get close but that does not help you with the 2000 so this is the general favoured Hammond drawbar setting(enter it into the Hammond drawbar Sound Creator page on the 2000)... 16'.5-1/3'.8'.4', now add some 2-2/3' Percussion, try mixing the Leslie option's with a bit of Flanger, some deep reverb and that's about the best I can do for you, the Hammond patches on my PSR740 were much better as there seemed to be more effects routing options. No doubt I will have people jumping on me saying I dont know what I'm talking about
...Who cares

Regards
Pasa...

Hi Rodriguez,

Native Instruments sell a SIMULATOR for the B3 organ which they call the B4. You run that software in a computer with a sound card and play it with your PSR via MIDI. You can use the B4 as another voice that way.

The sound of the B4 is quite real and I personally use it and like it a lot. Now they have come up with new preset files which allow the modeling of 'used', 'brand new', etch B3 organs, plus other classic models of other brands.

You can download the demo version at their site. Try this place:
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?home_us

The B4 is very different from a PSR voice. It is more like controlling a remote B3 as you press your PSR keys. It has it's own controls which show on your computer screen.

Pasodoble,

All of those factors that you mention ARE implemented in the B3 simulation of Native Instruments. One advantage is that you can have touch sensitivity by setting. The Leslie simulation is included and adjustable too. Reviewers have stated that it sounds not like a real B3 but like a recording of the B3, which is enough for me.

Hi all,

Rodrigues : Hammond never produced a B4 but Native Instruments named their product 'B4 Organ' (reinventing the tonewheels)
In fact all Hammond tonewheel organs have the same 'sinus' tones. (L-, M-, A-, B- and C-types)
Not even Hammond was able to immitate the original sound with electronic-components as semiconductors.... Integrated Circuits etc.
Some of the 'newer' types are X5, B3000, XB-2 but none of them covers my demands.

Native instruments however created the best 'Tonewheels' replica by a piece if PC- or MAC software.
The Leslie (rotating horns) effect is superb and beats ALL simulators on the market.

I could not believe my ears listening to the B4.
Most keyboards have a poor 'hammond' soundgenerator and I was wondering why Yamaha, Ketron or Roland are not capable to do the same as NI does.

Roel

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Roland and Korg both have dedicated organs that are on par with the REAL Hammaond sound.

Hi,

Thanks to everybody for the information about B3 organ.

Carlos Rodrigues

Uncle Dave,
I do know they have dedicated organs but have you seen an Arranger Keyboard with 'tonewheels'sound that can compete with B4 ? ..... I have not !
The Leslie of B4 is not a simple combination of frequency- volume- and phase- (doppler) modulation but all others ARE !
B4 lets you think you are IN the speaker cabinet and the smell of Hammond oil is there again

Roel

I don't think 'anything' comes CLOSE (in sound) to the Native Instruments 'B4' software synth, except 'maybe' the orginal Hammond B3 itself.

My 9kpro is pretty close and given the hands on control - I prefer it in real use situations.